A New Look at 5-Tools in the BBA/OOTP

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A New Look at 5-Tools in the BBA/OOTP

Post by RonCo » Sun May 26, 2019 1:07 pm

Okay, here's the thing: this one is probably going to be dry and boring for several folks. Sorry about that...but I got interested here, and thought at least a few of you will find it as fun as I did...so what the hell, right?

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So I was listening to a Fangraphs podcast (then reading an article) about what it means to have 5 tools, and when they are useful. Along the way, the conversation turned to whether the tools themselves were “right.” All of it is interesting in the way intellectual questions are interesting, but it got me to thinking again of how I view tools in OOTP, and even in the BBA—which are actually slightly different, believe it or not, because I see the BBA rating environment as having been a little warped.

Regardless, I though I’d have a little fun with ratings while I was asking the question. Who are our 5-tool players, eh? And what do we mean by that? How successful are these guys vs. the norm?

Of course, to answer that I need to first define the tools—or at least how I think about the tools. So let’s do that first—define the tools and how I played with ratings to calculate whether players have these tools or not. To me our five tools are these:

Hit for Average:

This is one of the normal tools, and in OOTP we’re tempted to just look at “Contact” and leave it be. In a league where pitching ratings are all kind of around average, this would be fine enough. But our ratings are skewed, especially toward stuff—which means Avk is perhaps a bit more important. In other words, this is a place where the BBA is outside the norm. You could write a pretty complex equation to simulate this, but to simplify this, I decided to adjust their contact by a factor of how far above or below “7” their AVK was (so a high AVK improves CON, a lower one degrades it. At that point, a “6” Adjusted Contact is graded as having a Hit for Average Tool.

Hit for Power:

Again, this is another normal tool. I include both the player’s Gap and Power rating in this assessment (I think I tend to value Gap more than the usual bear). I weight them toward raw power, though, scoring this tool as the average of .8 * Gap and 1.2 * Power. At this point, any player with a “6” I consider to have the Hit for Power tool.

Plate Discipline:

Along the lines of the OBP thing I posted before, this tool is about the ability to walk and avoid strikeouts. Not surprising, I score this similar to the Hit for Power tool, weighting Eye at 1.2 and AvK at .8. Again, any player with a “6” in this category is said to hat the Plate Discipline Tool.

Base Running

The “real life” baseball tool here is “speed,” but I replace speed with Baserunning, which for this simplified measure has no relation to speed. There are some reasons I ignore speed, which I’ll not get into here. Instead, I’ll just say for now that I weigh a player’s Steal rating at 1.2, and his core Baserunning skill at .8, then take the average. In this case, the player needs to score 7 or higher to be assigned the Baserunning Tool.

Ability to Play a Defensive Position

Again, a deviation from “Real life” scouting norm. Real life uses throwing, or are strength. I use “can the guy play a defensive position. So basically I look for a “7” or better at his primary position. I’ve oscillated between a 6, 7 and 8 here, and the bottom line is that I’ve chosen to stick with 7 because it makes the end results just feel better.

So there we have them, our five tools. Looking at the player profile, they look like this:

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Using this definition across the league of 512 players, we get the following totals of players who posses each tool.
  • Hit for Average - 187
  • Hit for Power - 236
  • Plate Discipline - 186
  • Base Running - 260
  • Ability to Play a Position - 309
All right then, if we use this definition, the BBA currently has 14 total 5-Tool Players.

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Name		TM	Hit-AT	Hit-PT	PltDT	B-RunT	DefT	Tools	CON	GAP	POW	EYE	K's	DEF	SPE	STE	RUN
Dennis French	BOI	1	1	1	1	1	5	12	10	7	4	10	10	10	8	7
Steven Collins	EDM	1	1	1	1	1	5	11	7	6	5	7	8	10	11	11
Juan Santana	MTL	1	1	1	1	1	5	9	8	6	4	9	7	10	11	11
Virgil Shafer	NO	1	1	1	1	1	5	7	6	8	6	7	9	10	11	11
Alex Ramírez	WIC	1	1	1	1	1	5	8	8	8	6	7	7	10	10	9
Ross Quicker	MAD	1	1	1	1	1	5	7	8	7	5	8	7	10	11	11
Mark White	SA	1	1	1	1	1	5	7	6	7	6	7	9	9	8	10
Thad Meyer	PHX	1	1	1	1	1	5	8	9	6	4	8	9	8	11	8
Rocky Allen	JAX	1	1	1	1	1	5	7	8	5	5	7	10	10	10	8
Millard Younger	ATC	1	1	1	1	1	5	8	9	6	5	7	8	10	8	6
Ramón Pagán	VAL	1	1	1	1	1	5	8	7	8	5	7	7	10	10	4
Brett White	JAX	1	1	1	1	1	5	7	7	9	5	7	7	7	10	9
Duane Whitley	TWC	1	1	1	1	1	5	8	6	8	6	7	7	5	9	8
Natanael Barral	MAD	1	1	1	1	1	5	7	9	7	7	6	7	1	10	10

Interesting, eh?

Looking at some four-tool players, you see guys like Chip Puckett, who lacks the Hit for Power Tool. Same for Juan Karyabwite, whose 7/5 Gap/Power combo just barely misses (of course, his 3/9 Eye/AVK barely qualifies).

All total, I claim 64 4-Tool Players

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Name		TM	Hit-AT	Hit-PT	PltDT	B-RunT	DefT	Tools	CON	GAP	POW	EYE	K's	DEF	SPE	STE	RUN
SS	Chip Puckett	RCK	1	0	1	1	1	4	8	6	3	6	9	11	10	11	11
LF	J. Karyabwite	CLG	1	0	1	1	1	4	9	7	5	3	9	10	9	11	11
SS	V. Strömberg	PHX	1	0	1	1	1	4	6	4	7	8	8	9	8	10	11
SS	Pedro Díaz	RCK	1	0	1	1	1	4	8	7	3	4	8	10	10	10	9
CF	A. Kamade	NSH	1	0	1	1	1	4	9	8	4	5	8	7	9	9	11
CF	N. Machiavelli	MAD	1	0	1	1	1	4	7	6	3	6	7	11	10	9	8
RF	Kevin MacKeith	MTL	1	1	0	1	1	4	7	8	7	6	6	9	10	7	8
RF	Luis Maldonado	SFB	0	1	1	1	1	4	6	6	9	6	7	9	8	11	9
1B	Lucas McNeill	YS9	1	1	0	1	1	4	8	8	7	6	6	9	8	10	8
LF	Andrew Torres	MAD	1	1	1	0	1	4	8	9	6	5	7	8	9	6	7
LF	Luis Costello	EDM	1	1	0	1	1	4	8	7	8	4	7	9	9	10	5
LF	Pedro Saldaña	LOU	0	1	1	1	1	4	6	8	6	5	7	8	10	11	11
2B	Á. De Castillo	SA	1	1	1	0	1	4	8	6	7	6	7	9	9	5	3
SS	James Monger	OMA	1	1	1	1	0	4	8	7	7	5	8	6	7	9	11
LF	D. Kirshbaum	VAN	1	0	1	1	1	4	7	5	3	4	10	8	8	10	10
RF	Ricardo Peña	MEX	1	1	0	1	1	4	7	7	6	3	8	8	10	10	8
3B	José Cortés	SEA	1	0	1	1	1	4	7	5	1	5	8	9	10	11	11
2B	E. Encarnación	JAX	1	0	1	1	1	4	8	7	2	4	9	8	10	9	6
1B	Mike Ellis	VAL	1	0	1	1	1	4	8	8	4	4	9	7	9	11	6
SS	Ángel García	SFB	0	1	1	1	1	4	6	4	8	8	7	8	7	10	8
RF	M. Dalrymple	EDM	1	1	0	1	1	4	9	7	7	4	7	8	7	10	7
CF	Yi-ke Zang	RCK	1	0	1	1	1	4	7	6	3	3	9	8	9	10	11
2B	Jared Gillstrom	SFB	1	1	0	1	1	4	9	5	7	6	6	8	5	11	11
SS	Tu-fu Yong	NSH	1	1	1	0	1	4	7	7	8	5	7	8	9	8	5
CF	J. Starks, Jr.	OMA	1	1	1	1	0	4	7	8	6	7	6	6	9	11	11
3B	David Noboru	JAX	1	1	0	1	1	4	9	7	7	3	5	8	9	11	11
SS	Miguel Padilla	YS9	1	0	1	1	1	4	7	6	1	3	9	8	10	11	11
1B	Fernando Cruz	EDM	1	1	1	1	0	4	8	7	9	7	9	4	1	9	11
CF	Jin-song Xuan	RCK	1	0	1	1	1	4	7	5	2	2	9	9	9	10	11
LF	Justin Jackson	NSH	1	1	0	1	1	4	8	8	8	5	6	7	7	7	8
3B	G. Guzmán	DM	1	0	1	1	1	4	7	6	1	6	8	7	9	10	11
CF	Mario Soriano	CLG	1	0	1	1	1	4	7	4	1	4	9	8	9	11	11
SS	F. Martínez	EDM	1	0	1	1	1	4	7	7	3	4	9	8	9	9	5
3B	Luis Soto		EDM	1	0	1	1	1	4	6	3	6	4	10	8	6	10	8
SS	Ángel Zalapa	VAL	1	1	1	0	1	4	8	7	8	6	8	8	3	3	3
3B	Sam Wade		NSH	0	1	1	1	1	4	5	8	5	6	7	8	9	11	8
CF	Tom Rudge	LV	1	1	0	1	1	4	7	8	6	6	5	7	10	10	9
SS	Pedro Gómez	PHX	1	0	1	1	1	4	6	4	1	4	9	8	10	10	11
2B	Keith Dean	ATC	1	1	1	0	1	4	8	8	6	5	8	7	6	6	4
RF	Luis Claudio	EDM	1	1	1	0	1	4	6	7	6	4	8	8	8	6	6
RF	Jorge Vargas	BRK	1	0	1	1	1	4	6	5	5	4	8	9	8	10	7
LF	C-hyeok Chang	SA	1	0	1	1	1	4	8	7	3	4	8	7	10	9	5
3B	F. Guilamo	VAN	1	0	1	1	1	4	6	6	4	4	8	9	6	10	10
LF	R. Hernández	ATC	0	1	1	1	1	4	3	5	7	8	5	9	10	11	10
3B	Mario Barrera	NO	1	1	1	0	1	4	7	7	6	7	7	7	5	5	7
SS	Tony Gustafsen	CLG	1	0	1	1	1	4	6	4	1	4	8	9	9	11	11
SS	R. Wareham	JAX	0	1	1	1	1	4	5	4	8	8	6	7	6	11	11
2B	José Ríos		CLG	1	1	0	1	1	4	8	7	7	4	7	7	3	11	11
CF	G. Herrera	OMA	1	0	1	1	1	4	7	6	6	3	9	7	5	11	8
1B	José Estrada	MEX	1	1	0	1	1	4	8	5	9	2	8	7	5	9	7
1B	Charles Martin	MTL	1	0	1	1	1	4	7	6	1	3	9	8	8	11	8
3B	Michael Best	LBC	1	1	1	0	1	4	8	8	6	5	8	7	3	5	4
1B	Y. Terada		BOI	0	1	1	1	1	4	6	6	8	8	5	9	2	7	8
1B	Mark Simpson	LBC	1	1	1	0	1	4	7	7	8	9	5	8	1	3	5
3B	Emílio Morales	OMA	1	1	1	0	1	4	7	5	9	3	9	9	1	3	1
C	F. Flores		RCK	1	1	1	0	1	4	9	8	6	4	8	8	1	1	1
2B	Yi-ke Hsiao	EDM	1	1	1	0	1	4	8	8	5	5	7	7	4	5	4
LF	C. Gonzáles	LBC	1	1	1	0	1	4	7	6	7	5	7	7	1	5	10
SS	A. Williamson	DM	0	1	1	1	1	4	5	7	6	8	5	7	7	8	7
3B	J. Delage		MEX	1	1	1	0	1	4	7	6	7	6	7	7	5	4	1
C	Hsin Mei		MEX	1	1	1	0	1	4	8	8	9	5	7	7	1	1	1
LF	Scott Martin	LOU	0	1	1	1	1	4	5	8	6	5	7	7	4	8	7
3B	CURT LOVE	VAL	1	1	1	0	1	4	7	7	7	5	7	7	3	1	1
1B	Eliseu Satino	LV	1	1	1	1	0	4	8	9	6	4	8	1	5	9	8

Finally, let's look at how these players are scattered across teams:

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Team	0 Tools	1 Tool	2 Tools	3 Tools	4 Tools	5 Tools	Total
ATC	2	4	4	1	2	1	14
BOI	2	5	6	3	1	1	18
BRK	2	5	5	4	1		17
CAL		4	11	3			18
CCJ	2	3	4	8			17
CLG		3	5	7	4		19
DM		4	7	4	2		17
EDM		2	4	2	7	1	16
HAW	1	5	5	4			15
HNT		2	4	10			16
JAX	2	5	4	4	3	2	20
LBC		3	11	3	3		20
LOU		5	7	2	2		16
LV	1	2	4	8	2		17
MAD		2	6	3	2	2	15
MEX		4	3	6	4		17
MTL	1	4	7	3	2	1	18
NO	1	5	7	7	1	1	22
NSH	1	1	5	5	4		16
OMA	1	2	2	4	4		13
PHX		8	3	6	2	1	20
RCK		3	4	4	5		16
SA	1	1	4	6	2	1	15
SEA	1	2	7	4	1		15
SFB	2	3	5	4	3		17
TWC		3	2	10		1	16
VAL		3	6	4	3	1	17
VAN	3	6	5	6	2		22
WIC	2	6	5	3		1	17
YS9		1	8	4	2		15
Total	25	106	160	142	64	14	511

I admit I'm not sure what to think of this other than the fact that it's kind of fun to look at. But teams of interest here include the super teams of Rockville (no 5-tool players), Jacksonville (balanced), and California (no 4 or 5-tool players). I'm also intrigued with teams who carry a lot of players with no tools or just 1 tool. YS9's only 1-tool player, for example, is Rob Thomas, whose Hit for Power Tool is quite sturdy.

I should note that the calculations involved here do not include platoon effect, which in Thomas's case are huge values, and which I'm certain would change things for several players. Still, it's fun, and at least for me it's an interesting way to look at things.
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Re: A New Look at 5-Tools in the BBA/OOTP

Post by Ted » Sun May 26, 2019 2:24 pm

Neat stuff. I've found the "five tool" debate interesting. Everyone likes those players, and they sure are fun to watch. I don't think anyone would turn one down. But beggars can't be choosers. If we developed some number of pitching tools, and analyzed Cal, I'm sure I'd be all over that leaderboard. But since I have all my resources locked up in pitching, I just take whatever I think can help on the hitting side. Often that's a player with one or two massively out sized tools that I hope make up for the lack of skill in other places. (There's a dirty joke in there somewhere.)
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Re: A New Look at 5-Tools in the BBA/OOTP

Post by RonCo » Sun May 26, 2019 2:42 pm

Yeah, this is just done for fun, really. If anyone hasn't listened to the podcast I linked to, there are worse ways to spend and hour's commute.
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Re: A New Look at 5-Tools in the BBA/OOTP

Post by usnspecialist » Sun May 26, 2019 2:48 pm

O look 2 of the 14 5 tool guys were San Fernando/Havana first round picks that we traded away before they reached the majors. Cheers to you Brett white and Juan santana.
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Re: A New Look at 5-Tools in the BBA/OOTP

Post by Rubaboo » Sun May 26, 2019 3:32 pm

usnspecialist wrote:
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O look 2 of the 14 5 tool guys were San Fernando/Havana first round picks that we traded away before they reached the majors. Cheers to you Brett white and Juan santana.
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Re: A New Look at 5-Tools in the BBA/OOTP

Post by recte44 » Sun May 26, 2019 3:57 pm

Tom Rudge. Nice.

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Re: A New Look at 5-Tools in the BBA/OOTP

Post by Lane » Sun May 26, 2019 4:43 pm

RonCo wrote:
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Yeah, this is just done for fun, really. If anyone hasn't listened to the podcast I linked to, there are worse ways to spend and hour's commute.
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Re: A New Look at 5-Tools in the BBA/OOTP

Post by RonCo » Sun May 26, 2019 5:30 pm

Of interest, perhaps, are the 25 players who, by this definition, are zero-tool guys. :)

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POS	Name		TM	Hit-AT	Hit-PT	PltDT	B-RunT	DefT	Tools	CON	GAP	POW	EYE	K's	DEF	SPE	STE	RUN
RF	Ken Gerhart III	BOI	0	0	0	0	0	0	6	5	6	6	5	6	2	5	9
SS	Gary Lewis	VAN	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	6	5	5	5	5	9	6	7
RF	José Espinoza	WIC	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	6	3	7	5	6	5	6	7
LF	José Gallegos	BRK	0	0	0	0	0	0	6	6	6	4	6	5	7	7	2
3B	Gary Schneider	WIC	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	5	6	9	4	6	3	3	3
LF	K. Jouon	SEA	0	0	0	0	0	0	6	6	6	5	6	6	2	7	2
C	B. Zilabamuzale	NO	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	8	4	4	5	5	8	6	3
LF	Kevin Kerr	JAX	0	0	0	0	0	0	6	6	6	4	6	5	4	2	1
SS	Juan Becerra	MTL	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	5	5	5	6	6	5	5	1
C	Marc-André Paré	ATC	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	5	6	5	6	5	1	1	5
C	Dan Clapper	OMA	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	6	6	5	6	6	1	1	1
C	Carlos Flores	BRK	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	5	5	4	6	6	3	5	2
C	Jim Miranda	VAN	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	6	6	5	6	6	1	1	2
C	Bartolo Costa	CCJ	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	5	6	4	6	6	1	1	1
LF	Pedro Díaz	BOI	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	3	8	6	4	6	3	5	1
C	Miguel Valéncia	SFB	0	0	0	0	0	0	3	2	7	6	6	4	1	7	6
C	Allan MacHugh	ATC	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	5	6	9	3	6	1	2	1
C	Dan Calhoun	HAW	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	7	4	6	5	5	1	1	1
C	G. González	SA	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	5	6	6	5	4	1	1	1
1B	Dani López	NSH	0	0	0	0	0	0	6	5	6	5	6	1	1	4	4
C	Robinson López	LV	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	4	7	4	5	6	1	1	1
RF	Javier López	CCJ	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	7	5	3	4	5	4	1	1
SP	Dermott Halford	VAN	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	4	6	6	4	5	1	2	2
C	Armando Muñóz	SFB	0	0	0	0	0	0	3	2	6	7	5	5	1	1	1
1B	Kent Murphy	JAX	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	2	7	3	3	1	1	3	3

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Re: A New Look at 5-Tools in the BBA/OOTP

Post by RonCo » Sun May 26, 2019 5:33 pm

Barring a few outliers, mostly it seems they are guys who are kind of meh, but kind of okay everywhere.
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Re: A New Look at 5-Tools in the BBA/OOTP

Post by Ted » Sun May 26, 2019 8:00 pm

RonCo wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 5:30 pm
Of interest, perhaps, are the 25 players who, by this definition, are zero-tool guys. :)

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POS	Name		TM	Hit-AT	Hit-PT	PltDT	B-RunT	DefT	Tools	CON	GAP	POW	EYE	K's	DEF	SPE	STE	RUN
RF	Ken Gerhart III	BOI	0	0	0	0	0	0	6	5	6	6	5	6	2	5	9
SS	Gary Lewis	VAN	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	6	5	5	5	5	9	6	7
RF	José Espinoza	WIC	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	6	3	7	5	6	5	6	7
LF	José Gallegos	BRK	0	0	0	0	0	0	6	6	6	4	6	5	7	7	2
3B	Gary Schneider	WIC	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	5	6	9	4	6	3	3	3
LF	K. Jouon	SEA	0	0	0	0	0	0	6	6	6	5	6	6	2	7	2
C	B. Zilabamuzale	NO	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	8	4	4	5	5	8	6	3
LF	Kevin Kerr	JAX	0	0	0	0	0	0	6	6	6	4	6	5	4	2	1
SS	Juan Becerra	MTL	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	5	5	5	6	6	5	5	1
C	Marc-André Paré	ATC	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	5	6	5	6	5	1	1	5
C	Dan Clapper	OMA	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	6	6	5	6	6	1	1	1
C	Carlos Flores	BRK	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	5	5	4	6	6	3	5	2
C	Jim Miranda	VAN	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	6	6	5	6	6	1	1	2
C	Bartolo Costa	CCJ	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	5	6	4	6	6	1	1	1
LF	Pedro Díaz	BOI	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	3	8	6	4	6	3	5	1
C	Miguel Valéncia	SFB	0	0	0	0	0	0	3	2	7	6	6	4	1	7	6
C	Allan MacHugh	ATC	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	5	6	9	3	6	1	2	1
C	Dan Calhoun	HAW	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	7	4	6	5	5	1	1	1
C	G. González	SA	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	5	6	6	5	4	1	1	1
1B	Dani López	NSH	0	0	0	0	0	0	6	5	6	5	6	1	1	4	4
C	Robinson López	LV	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	4	7	4	5	6	1	1	1
RF	Javier López	CCJ	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	7	5	3	4	5	4	1	1
SP	Dermott Halford	VAN	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	4	6	6	4	5	1	2	2
C	Armando Muñóz	SFB	0	0	0	0	0	0	3	2	6	7	5	5	1	1	1
1B	Kent Murphy	JAX	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	2	7	3	3	1	1	3	3

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Re: A New Look at 5-Tools in the BBA/OOTP

Post by jiminyhopkins » Sun May 26, 2019 8:35 pm

I love how PHX has the most one tool guys.
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Re: A New Look at 5-Tools in the BBA/OOTP

Post by 7teen » Sun May 26, 2019 9:03 pm

Ted wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 2:24 pm
Neat stuff. I've found the "five tool" debate interesting. Everyone likes those players, and they sure are fun to watch. I don't think anyone would turn one down. But beggars can't be choosers. If we developed some number of pitching tools, and analyzed Cal, I'm sure I'd be all over that leaderboard. But since I have all my resources locked up in pitching, I just take whatever I think can help on the hitting side. Often that's a player with one or two massively out sized tools that I hope make up for the lack of skill in other places. (There's a dirty joke in there somewhere.)
Considering I have 2 of the 14 5-tool guys in Madison and we only won 69 games, your approach is better.

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Re: A New Look at 5-Tools in the BBA/OOTP

Post by Ted » Sun May 26, 2019 9:11 pm

7teen wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 9:03 pm
Ted wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 2:24 pm
Neat stuff. I've found the "five tool" debate interesting. Everyone likes those players, and they sure are fun to watch. I don't think anyone would turn one down. But beggars can't be choosers. If we developed some number of pitching tools, and analyzed Cal, I'm sure I'd be all over that leaderboard. But since I have all my resources locked up in pitching, I just take whatever I think can help on the hitting side. Often that's a player with one or two massively out sized tools that I hope make up for the lack of skill in other places. (There's a dirty joke in there somewhere.)
Considering I have 2 of the 14 5-tool guys in Madison and we only won 69 games, your approach is better.

And I believe there is a dirty joke in my reply somewhere.
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Re: A New Look at 5-Tools in the BBA/OOTP

Post by udlb58 » Mon May 27, 2019 10:29 pm

RonCo wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 1:07 pm
...I'm also intrigued with teams who carry a lot of players with no tools or just 1 tool. YS9's only 1-tool player, for example, is Rob Thomas, whose Hit for Power Tool is quite sturdy...
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Of interest, perhaps, are the 25 players who, by this definition, are zero-tool guys. :)

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POS	Name		TM	Hit-AT	Hit-PT	PltDT	B-RunT	DefT	Tools	CON	GAP	POW	EYE	K's	DEF	SPE	STE	RUN
RF	Ken Gerhart III	BOI	0	0	0	0	0	0	6	5	6	6	5	6	2	5	9
SS	Gary Lewis	VAN	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	6	5	5	5	5	9	6	7
RF	José Espinoza	WIC	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	6	3	7	5	6	5	6	7
LF	José Gallegos	BRK	0	0	0	0	0	0	6	6	6	4	6	5	7	7	2
3B	Gary Schneider	WIC	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	5	6	9	4	6	3	3	3
LF	K. Jouon	SEA	0	0	0	0	0	0	6	6	6	5	6	6	2	7	2
C	B. Zilabamuzale	NO	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	8	4	4	5	5	8	6	3
LF	Kevin Kerr	JAX	0	0	0	0	0	0	6	6	6	4	6	5	4	2	1
SS	Juan Becerra	MTL	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	5	5	5	6	6	5	5	1
C	Marc-André Paré	ATC	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	5	6	5	6	5	1	1	5
C	Dan Clapper	OMA	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	6	6	5	6	6	1	1	1
C	Carlos Flores	BRK	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	5	5	4	6	6	3	5	2
C	Jim Miranda	VAN	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	6	6	5	6	6	1	1	2
C	Bartolo Costa	CCJ	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	5	6	4	6	6	1	1	1
LF	Pedro Díaz	BOI	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	3	8	6	4	6	3	5	1
C	Miguel Valéncia	SFB	0	0	0	0	0	0	3	2	7	6	6	4	1	7	6
C	Allan MacHugh	ATC	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	5	6	9	3	6	1	2	1
C	Dan Calhoun	HAW	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	7	4	6	5	5	1	1	1
C	G. González	SA	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	5	6	6	5	4	1	1	1
1B	Dani López	NSH	0	0	0	0	0	0	6	5	6	5	6	1	1	4	4
C	Robinson López	LV	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	4	7	4	5	6	1	1	1
RF	Javier López	CCJ	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	7	5	3	4	5	4	1	1
SP	Dermott Halford	VAN	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	4	6	6	4	5	1	2	2
C	Armando Muñóz	SFB	0	0	0	0	0	0	3	2	6	7	5	5	1	1	1
1B	Kent Murphy	JAX	0	0	0	0	0	0	5	2	7	3	3	1	1	3	3

I think the timing of your data acquisition may skew the data at the lower end (0-1 tool) a bit. I know one of those 0 tool players is Kent Murphy, my create-a-player that I only called up as a laugh to get him an official BBA at-bat before he fades into obscurity. (side note, I'm surprised Kerr is a 0 tool player considering he's a switch hitter who's 6/6/6/3/6 vRHP and 7/7/7/4/7 vLHP with decent enough defense in LF).
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Re: A New Look at 5-Tools in the BBA/OOTP

Post by ae37jr » Tue May 28, 2019 5:03 am

The only 5 tools in Brooklyn right now is our starting rotation.
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