A Look-in on Top 10 Picks
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A Look-in on Top 10 Picks
The quality and results of the draft will always be a topic that draws attention from wily GMs and BBA fans alike. Kids are the lifeblood of any franchise, right? And to kids are top blood. Or something like that. And there are a billion questions around these guys. With the “fun” drafts depth, how often do these guys pan out? How often will they bust? When they bust, what happens? How long do top draft picks take to improve the parent club?
I’ve been following the top 10 picks of the past few drafts, because…well…what else would you do?
Let’s take a quick look into them and see what we can see:
2035:
Purely because there’s been enough time pass to make some assessments, this is one of the more interesting classes. Of the ten players selected, we’ve seen four hit the big leagues, with Alex Ramirez leading the marquee from the top. Huntsville’s Fernando Reyes is an impact bat, especially as a LH platoon guy, and Pancho German is likely a solid middle-rotation guy, maybe better. Jefferson Riles just now made the majors, and has the ratings to make an impact.
Three more players, Reynaldo Avila, Jorge Garcia, and Jerry Pacy, are still prospects, though each are tarnished a bit and may struggle to make impacts. The sands of time are still running for them.
Brooklyn drafted Raul Guzman, then did not sign him. The following season they drafted CF Dan Floures, who the eventually traded, and who is now on the Mexico City major league roster, though he’s taken a bit or rating erosion, too.
Of these ten players, the only two that seem fairly quantifiable busts at present are Hawaii’s SP Juan Ramirez, and Edmonton’s 1B Takeichi Ohayashi, though Ohayashi could be argued to still have a shot at sniffing a BBA roster.
Overall, the top 10 of 2035 has yielded four players in the past three seasons (five if you count Flores). With time left to yield more, this seems pretty good. On the other hand, of the ten, eight saw at least some ratings erosion, and all are still relatively young, so we could see more.
2036:
Dennis French, o’lord, Dennis French. Any class that includes French is going to look good. And on initial glance, this class looks brilliant. In two seasons, it’s already yielded four BBA level players (five if you account the aforementioned Dan Floures here or in 2035). In addition, it’s seen only one “borderline bust” in San Antonio’s SP Fernando Moran. However, things are not always as glorious as it seems.
Two of the promotions (White and Ata) were likely made well before the player’s ratings suggested it was particularly wise. White’s was done with the caveat that he wanted and got a major league deal, Ata under a position of need and the idea that maybe he might hit, pitch, and (assuming here) put butts in the seats. Mike Campbell’s promotion was at the right time as far as development goes, but came with a full stage reduction in those potentials. He’s still solid, though.
Two players (Wichita’s Zak Johnson, and Huntsville’s David Simpson) did not sign, Wichita subsequently drafted SP Armando Feliciano in 2037, Huntsville got SP Timo Dooley, both of whom are still solid prospects.
It is potentially worth noting that seven of the eight players who signed have seen potential degradation. Combine this information with that of the 2035 draft class, and it does appear that some 80-90% of top ten picks can be expected to see at a least a little of the shine fade from their draft day ratings.
Overall, this class could still go both ways. It’s looking sexy, but I’d say we’ll need another year before drawing any solid conclusions.
2037:
As can be expected, we haven’t seen a lot of last year’s class, with only Hawaii’s Zak Johnson being deployed into the BBA level. Again, rational people can argue whether that was wise or not—Johnson may well have been the Tropic’s best answer for today, but how much value he gave the team in 2038 vs. the value he might have created by staying in the minors one more season would be an interesting topic for a Sports Management grad student’s dissertation. Bottom line: by ratings, Johnson wasn’t’ really ready, and you see it in his numbers. That his ratings have fallen is either interesting in the context of this discussion, or not.
Bottom line, other than Johnson, we’ve not seen a BBA level player out of the gang, and five of the ten (or six of twelve if you’re counting picks made in compensation for not signing earlier players) have seen ratings erosion. Of those, two (Valencia’s Alberto Chavez, and Wichita’s John Antill) have clearly seen their stars fall completely from the sky.
2038:
The most interesting thing about the 2038 class, other than it’s brilliance, is that we’re sitting in late August—two months past the draft itself—and unless I’m missing something we’ve yet to see out first talent drop.
Three of these guys are up in AA. One in A ball, the rest still in their Rookie levels, suggesting GMS are being a bit more cautious with this collection…or maybe there are other things at play?
Obviously, we’ll not be making any assessments on this gang at this point, but it’s here for posterity’s sake.
OVERALL ASSESSMENT?
I think a few things look to be emerging. First the raw “bust rate” of top 10 picks looks to be about 15%-20%. The early yield rate may be about 50% in the first 2-3 seasons…relatively fast. We’ll wait and see when it comes to discussing superstars, but there are clearly candidates.
I’ve been following the top 10 picks of the past few drafts, because…well…what else would you do?
Let’s take a quick look into them and see what we can see:
2035:
Purely because there’s been enough time pass to make some assessments, this is one of the more interesting classes. Of the ten players selected, we’ve seen four hit the big leagues, with Alex Ramirez leading the marquee from the top. Huntsville’s Fernando Reyes is an impact bat, especially as a LH platoon guy, and Pancho German is likely a solid middle-rotation guy, maybe better. Jefferson Riles just now made the majors, and has the ratings to make an impact.
Three more players, Reynaldo Avila, Jorge Garcia, and Jerry Pacy, are still prospects, though each are tarnished a bit and may struggle to make impacts. The sands of time are still running for them.
Brooklyn drafted Raul Guzman, then did not sign him. The following season they drafted CF Dan Floures, who the eventually traded, and who is now on the Mexico City major league roster, though he’s taken a bit or rating erosion, too.
Of these ten players, the only two that seem fairly quantifiable busts at present are Hawaii’s SP Juan Ramirez, and Edmonton’s 1B Takeichi Ohayashi, though Ohayashi could be argued to still have a shot at sniffing a BBA roster.
Overall, the top 10 of 2035 has yielded four players in the past three seasons (five if you count Flores). With time left to yield more, this seems pretty good. On the other hand, of the ten, eight saw at least some ratings erosion, and all are still relatively young, so we could see more.
2036:
Dennis French, o’lord, Dennis French. Any class that includes French is going to look good. And on initial glance, this class looks brilliant. In two seasons, it’s already yielded four BBA level players (five if you account the aforementioned Dan Floures here or in 2035). In addition, it’s seen only one “borderline bust” in San Antonio’s SP Fernando Moran. However, things are not always as glorious as it seems.
Two of the promotions (White and Ata) were likely made well before the player’s ratings suggested it was particularly wise. White’s was done with the caveat that he wanted and got a major league deal, Ata under a position of need and the idea that maybe he might hit, pitch, and (assuming here) put butts in the seats. Mike Campbell’s promotion was at the right time as far as development goes, but came with a full stage reduction in those potentials. He’s still solid, though.
Two players (Wichita’s Zak Johnson, and Huntsville’s David Simpson) did not sign, Wichita subsequently drafted SP Armando Feliciano in 2037, Huntsville got SP Timo Dooley, both of whom are still solid prospects.
It is potentially worth noting that seven of the eight players who signed have seen potential degradation. Combine this information with that of the 2035 draft class, and it does appear that some 80-90% of top ten picks can be expected to see at a least a little of the shine fade from their draft day ratings.
Overall, this class could still go both ways. It’s looking sexy, but I’d say we’ll need another year before drawing any solid conclusions.
2037:
As can be expected, we haven’t seen a lot of last year’s class, with only Hawaii’s Zak Johnson being deployed into the BBA level. Again, rational people can argue whether that was wise or not—Johnson may well have been the Tropic’s best answer for today, but how much value he gave the team in 2038 vs. the value he might have created by staying in the minors one more season would be an interesting topic for a Sports Management grad student’s dissertation. Bottom line: by ratings, Johnson wasn’t’ really ready, and you see it in his numbers. That his ratings have fallen is either interesting in the context of this discussion, or not.
Bottom line, other than Johnson, we’ve not seen a BBA level player out of the gang, and five of the ten (or six of twelve if you’re counting picks made in compensation for not signing earlier players) have seen ratings erosion. Of those, two (Valencia’s Alberto Chavez, and Wichita’s John Antill) have clearly seen their stars fall completely from the sky.
2038:
The most interesting thing about the 2038 class, other than it’s brilliance, is that we’re sitting in late August—two months past the draft itself—and unless I’m missing something we’ve yet to see out first talent drop.
Three of these guys are up in AA. One in A ball, the rest still in their Rookie levels, suggesting GMS are being a bit more cautious with this collection…or maybe there are other things at play?
Obviously, we’ll not be making any assessments on this gang at this point, but it’s here for posterity’s sake.
OVERALL ASSESSMENT?
I think a few things look to be emerging. First the raw “bust rate” of top 10 picks looks to be about 15%-20%. The early yield rate may be about 50% in the first 2-3 seasons…relatively fast. We’ll wait and see when it comes to discussing superstars, but there are clearly candidates.
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Re: A Look-in on Top 10 Picks
It’s also kind of fun to look across the years and see how various teams have done.
Hawaii – Juan Ramirez was a bust, but now they have Mike Campbell and Zak Johnson, not to mention what will happen with Jim Wilkinson. It’s hard not to get excited about these guys.
Boise – French, of course, looks like a generational kind of talent who could team with Felix Roman to be a pretty powerful face of the franchise if Roman comes in. Pancho German will play. Frank Metcalf is teetering on eggshells, but still looks useful.
Wichita – Alex Ramirez is a high-quality shortstop, and Armando Feliciano still looks like a #1 kind of pitcher. Antill’s loss could loom big, though, as he would have been a nice #2/#3. Spilled milk, though. It will be interesting to see who Genius slides to second base when Gouzzie arrives on the scene. Assume Ramirez will be losing a step by then.
Nashville – Ata is the gem, of course, but I worry now. With Avila’s fade, and the trading of David Simpson, that leaves Ata and 2038’s Declan Hounsell as the primary young guys to build around. The Goats are already on their way up, though. So maybe they need a little less?
Edmonton – Picked up Ohayashi, Barnes, and Jose Salas on the tail end of their rise out of the top 10 picks. Ohayashi is abust, Barnes is looking borderline, but Salas is still holding strong. We’ll see how the double-bust affects their run.
Valencia – Alberto Chavez’s bust is going to hurt, because if he’d stepped up the pair of Pepe Hernandez (who is probably a #2/#3) and Jorge Garcia (probably a #4/#5 given his movement drop) would look a lot bolder. Still, it’s hard to argue with Aaron Haney in CF.
Des Moines – Don Smith may be the second coming of Steve Nebraska. They also got Chris White, who should still grow into a decent guy in center field, and Jefferson Riles, who faded, but will provide valuable innings in the bullpen.
San Antonio – Fans have to be a little angsty with Fernando Moran, who looks more like a #5/bullpen guy right now, but who could still provide come value. But Ricardo Riveria and Larry Stinson could be the accelerant the team needs to keep the stirrings of a playoff team flowing.
Huntsville – Fernando Reyes is a solid left-handed bat who is already giving value in the big leagues. Timo Dooley should help Vic sometime soon, though admittedly you’d like to see the stuff come in pretty soon.
Charm City - is just hitting the apex of their fire-sale fade, getting a solid catcher in Quinton Lara and a face of the franchise kind of shortstop in Wilson Andrade. I assume they’ll be in the top ten for another year or two, and we’ll see what that garners them.
Hawaii – Juan Ramirez was a bust, but now they have Mike Campbell and Zak Johnson, not to mention what will happen with Jim Wilkinson. It’s hard not to get excited about these guys.
Boise – French, of course, looks like a generational kind of talent who could team with Felix Roman to be a pretty powerful face of the franchise if Roman comes in. Pancho German will play. Frank Metcalf is teetering on eggshells, but still looks useful.
Wichita – Alex Ramirez is a high-quality shortstop, and Armando Feliciano still looks like a #1 kind of pitcher. Antill’s loss could loom big, though, as he would have been a nice #2/#3. Spilled milk, though. It will be interesting to see who Genius slides to second base when Gouzzie arrives on the scene. Assume Ramirez will be losing a step by then.
Nashville – Ata is the gem, of course, but I worry now. With Avila’s fade, and the trading of David Simpson, that leaves Ata and 2038’s Declan Hounsell as the primary young guys to build around. The Goats are already on their way up, though. So maybe they need a little less?
Edmonton – Picked up Ohayashi, Barnes, and Jose Salas on the tail end of their rise out of the top 10 picks. Ohayashi is abust, Barnes is looking borderline, but Salas is still holding strong. We’ll see how the double-bust affects their run.
Valencia – Alberto Chavez’s bust is going to hurt, because if he’d stepped up the pair of Pepe Hernandez (who is probably a #2/#3) and Jorge Garcia (probably a #4/#5 given his movement drop) would look a lot bolder. Still, it’s hard to argue with Aaron Haney in CF.
Des Moines – Don Smith may be the second coming of Steve Nebraska. They also got Chris White, who should still grow into a decent guy in center field, and Jefferson Riles, who faded, but will provide valuable innings in the bullpen.
San Antonio – Fans have to be a little angsty with Fernando Moran, who looks more like a #5/bullpen guy right now, but who could still provide come value. But Ricardo Riveria and Larry Stinson could be the accelerant the team needs to keep the stirrings of a playoff team flowing.
Huntsville – Fernando Reyes is a solid left-handed bat who is already giving value in the big leagues. Timo Dooley should help Vic sometime soon, though admittedly you’d like to see the stuff come in pretty soon.
Charm City - is just hitting the apex of their fire-sale fade, getting a solid catcher in Quinton Lara and a face of the franchise kind of shortstop in Wilson Andrade. I assume they’ll be in the top ten for another year or two, and we’ll see what that garners them.
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At a quick glance, drafting pitchers is very risky. They seem to be at a higher risk of lumping than hitters.
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I think you're right. But I keep doing it like a dummy. Like in real life, injury is such ha huge thing with pitchers. Also, I'd make a strong wager they often are much less developed than bats.
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I've actually been thinking about that a lot the past few days. Pitchers seem more volatile. So I wonder if the best way to rebuild is to draft heavy on hitters then trade some of them for more developed pitchers as you go. But the counterpoint is that I'm pretty sure the league values SP high... like they should. So you'd then have to lose more value in trading, so it would probably even out or not be a good idea all together.
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This is where I've settled. If you want a deep pitching team, you have to draft it. Trading for it is just too tough and would cost too much prospect capital to be worth it as an overall strategy. It's frustrating, and they get hurt and don't develop, but that's just the cost of doing business.ae37jr wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 7:54 pmI've actually been thinking about that a lot the past few days. Pitchers seem more volatile. So I wonder if the best way to rebuild is to draft heavy on hitters then trade some of them for more developed pitchers as you go. But the counterpoint is that I'm pretty sure the league values SP high... like they should. So you'd then have to lose more value in trading, so it would probably even out or not be a good idea all together.
It's entirely possible that it's a better idea to build strong hitting teams and try to get by with 3/4 type starters and one ace (who you traded some excess hitting prospects for).
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I think a good example of this strategy is Phoenix the past 4-5 years. They were loaded with hitters and short on pitching. In theory it should have worked. Ignacio and LaLoosh were both number ones. But injuries killed that too. I guess you just can't win with pitching.
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2034 Havana used this method to win a title (Rafael hadn't blossomed into an ace yet).ae37jr wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 9:04 pmI think a good example of this strategy is Phoenix the past 4-5 years. They were loaded with hitters and short on pitching. In theory it should have worked. Ignacio and LaLoosh were both number ones. But injuries killed that too. I guess you just can't win with pitching.
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Not excited about the double bust. I didn't sign Ohayashi, but I have to think he looked inviting at the time. He'll see the active roster next season. Barnes is certainly a bust. He lumped a lot and now he's injured. Tough to watch. I'm excited about Salas, but he still has a long way to go. Love this feature even if my immediate reaction to the subject of it saddened me lol.
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