Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

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Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:00 am

This is a companion to the position players version of this list here and pitchers here, and represents a combined ranking of the 2 lists. I will also be mentioning where each year ranks in the sub-categories in each post Some notes as a refresher below.

-WAR and WAR alone is used for this. While you can argue about how accurate WAR is, it provides a consistent and uniform measure for comparison
-There is no subjectivity in this list, the rankings are purely objective based on the simple formula that I came up with (explained below)
-Each class is broken down into 6x categories, each of which covers a 10 WAR span minus the top one (20 WAR, 30 WAR, 40 WAR, 50 WAR, 60 WAR, 70+ WAR). 20 WAR was used because that is a reasonable cutoff for a solid career, and 70 was the high end because once you get to that point you are a very likely Hall of Famer and going much higher would distort the numbers too much.
-Formula: 20 WAR= 1 Point, 30 WAR= 2 points, 40 WAR=3 points, 50 WAR=4 points, 60 WAR=5 points, 70+ WAR=6 points. Each player only counts for their final total (i.e if you get 45 WAR, you only get 3 points, you don't get the points for passing 20 and 30 WAR).
-Ties were broken by the year with the most total 20+ WAR players, followed by the highest category of WAR total (NOT the individual point total within that category)
-Every player with 20+ WAR or the top 10 (whichever is more) is listed for each class
-I included every class from 1973-2047, even though the newer classes still have people piling up totals so this list will change
-All data is through the end of the 2047 season.

I will list all players over 20 WAR or the top 10 (in the case of those without 10 players over 20).

A notes on the WAR used here. For the hitters I used HTML data due to some discrepancies discovered with stats+ data. For the pitchers unfortunately they do not list WAR for each pitchers and I am not going through 4545 individual player pages to get the WAR for them, so we are going to use stats+ for them.
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Frick Champion- 36, 37
Johnson League Southern- 34
Frick League Pacific- 37, 39
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Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:03 am

T73) 0 Points: 2047

Batting: T71
Pitching: T72
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPKen Sparks204720475.29NO
SPLoan Duval204720474.79NO
SPKen Arroyo204720474.49NO
RPTodd Stone204720474NO
SPChris Thompson204720473.12NO
2BPete Brace204720472.90NO
RFMartin Hemming204720472.80NO
CFLuis Manuel Alonzo204720472.80NO
RPDamian Taylor204720472.44NO
SPAdrian Custello204720472.43NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 2032-
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Landis Champion- 34
Johnson Champion- 34
Frick Champion- 36, 37
Johnson League Southern- 34
Frick League Pacific- 37, 39
,Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:27 am

T73) 0 Points: 2046

Batting: T71
Pitching: T72
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPDave Corfield2046204710.16NO
CIchizo Sugiyama204620479.60NO
SPKyle Smallwood204620478.05NO
SPPhil Cole204620477.55NO
SPSteve Warren204620476.29NO
SPPeter Dean204620475.9NO
RPJay Hodge204620474.19NO
SPThomas Turner204620474.01NO
SPSeth Harris204620473.82NO
RPJuan Martinez204620473.69NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 2032-
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Landis Champion- 34
Johnson Champion- 34
Frick Champion- 36, 37
Johnson League Southern- 34
Frick League Pacific- 37, 39
,Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:32 am

T73) 0 Points: 2045

Batting: T71
Pitching: T72
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPBernie Stuart2045204712.2NO
RPDerrick Chaney2045204711.04NO
SPBarney Lindsay204520479.02NO
SPNathaniel Davis204520476.7NO
SPJuan MarroquI­n204520476.68NO
SPMatt McCartney204520476.3NO
SPWarren Moore204520476.12NO
SPScott Davis204520475.9NO
3BRoberto Rivera204520475.60NO
SPEdward Crutcher204520475.56NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 2032-
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Landis Champion- 34
Johnson Champion- 34
Frick Champion- 36, 37
Johnson League Southern- 34
Frick League Pacific- 37, 39
,Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:31 am

72) 2 Points: 2044

Batting: 70
Pitching: 70

2x Total: 2x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPBill Constable2044204723.1NO
3BLuis Mendoza2044204720.50NO
SPDon Jaramillo2044204716.21NO
3BMal Fountain2044204712.90NO
RPCarlton Casson2044204712.78NO
SPGusby Pinkerton2044204712.5NO
1BTim Battle2044204711.80NO
SPAmos Swallows2044204711.02NO
CFFrederick Brisset204420479.80NO
RFJose Romero204420479.30NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 2032-
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Landis Champion- 34
Johnson Champion- 34
Frick Champion- 36, 37
Johnson League Southern- 34
Frick League Pacific- 37, 39
,Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:39 am

71) 4 Points: 2043

Batting: 71
Pitching: 67

3x Total: 1x 30 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPRuben Vazquez2043204730.42NO
SPFrancisco Franco2043204721.66NO
RPCarlos Flores2043204720.64NO
SPDave Lee2043204719.11NO
1BWilson Estrada2043204717.50NO
1BChris Mann2043204715.70NO
3BAlfonso Trinidad2043204714.30NO
SPFelipe Guevara2043204712.42NO
RPLuis Manuel Rodriguez2043204711.64NO
CFArvin Duggan2043204710.60NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 2032-
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Landis Champion- 34
Johnson Champion- 34
Frick Champion- 36, 37
Johnson League Southern- 34
Frick League Pacific- 37, 39
,Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:45 am

70) 9 Points: 2042

Batting: 61
Pitching: 72

7x Total: 2x 30 WAR, 5x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
1BLarry Stinson2042204736.30NO
CFJuan Donestevez2042204734.30NO
1BManny Collazo2042204725.70NO
1BCarlomaria Donadoni2042204724.20NO
RFPedro Bustamante2042204723.90NO
LFJim Ashford2042204720.60NO
RFDonald Miller2042204720.20NO
3BAlfredo Rosas2042204719.80NO
CFOmer Dijkstra2042204718.40NO
SSPepe Espinosa2042204718.00NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 2032-
1052-893

Landis Champion- 34
Johnson Champion- 34
Frick Champion- 36, 37
Johnson League Southern- 34
Frick League Pacific- 37, 39
,Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:48 am

69) 9 Points: 2004

Batting: 69
Pitching: 60

7x Total: 1x 60 WAR, 6x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPJim Schmidt2004201664.37NO
RFRichard Wilcox2004201327.80NO
3BDuncan Harvey2004201626.90NO
SPWill Craig2004201823.76NO
SPJohnny Carter2004201322.97NO
3BShawn McClure2004201722.50NO
1BStephen Lubin2004201221.10NO
SPJared Dorsey2004201919.69NO
RFIgnacio Ramos2004201817.50NO
SSPaco Torres2004201617.00NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 2032-
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Landis Champion- 34
Johnson Champion- 34
Frick Champion- 36, 37
Johnson League Southern- 34
Frick League Pacific- 37, 39
,Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:06 am

68) 12 Points: 2009

Batting: 67
Pitching: 66

6x Total: 1x 50 WAR, 3x 30 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPAntonio Rodri­guez2009202651.89NO
1BBob Ritchie2009202339.00NO
2BEric Thorne2009202137.70NO
RFBob White2009202335.60NO
CFJose Cruz2009202024.90NO
SPSheng Yen2009202423.02NO
SPJoe Miller2009202018.96NO
RFTodd Clay2009202316.70NO
LFHarvey Newton2009202115.20NO
SPDon Miller2009202012.92NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 2032-
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Landis Champion- 34
Johnson Champion- 34
Frick Champion- 36, 37
Johnson League Southern- 34
Frick League Pacific- 37, 39
,Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:09 am

67) 13 Points: 1980

Batting: 63
Pitching: 65

8x Total: 1x 40 WAR, 3x 30 WAR, 4x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
2BAnthony Walker1980199343.70NO
CFJoey Beggiani1980199137.30NO
RPDenny Wegman1980199535.96NO
SPLewis Bauder1980199332.47NO
RPJerry Neal1980199327.31NO
LFGlenn Miller1980199325.50NO
CSang Lim1980199120.70NO
3BJoe Kyle1980199120.40NO
CRay Lewis1980199113.80NO
RFLiam Carr1980198913.80NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 2032-
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Landis Champion- 34
Johnson Champion- 34
Frick Champion- 36, 37
Johnson League Southern- 34
Frick League Pacific- 37, 39
,Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:10 am

66) 14 Points: 2006 (1x HOF)

Batting: 58
Pitching: 69

6x Total: 1x 50 WAR, 2x 40 WAR, 1x 30 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
2BEric Martin2006201854.70YES
CChuck Bowers2006202046.00NO
SPMorgan Ackerman2006202244.40NO
SSOrlando Alejo2006201930.40NO
CFBart Lavigne2006201926.70NO
RFPat Curry2006201822.50NO
3BArturo Martinez2006201617.80NO
1BOrlando Chavez2006201417.30NO
RPJonathan Sorensen2006202416.72NO
RFAustin Gibson2006202016.60NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 2032-
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Landis Champion- 34
Johnson Champion- 34
Frick Champion- 36, 37
Johnson League Southern- 34
Frick League Pacific- 37, 39
,Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:15 am

65) 15 Points: 2038

Batting: 62
Pitching: 61

10x Total: 1x 50 WAR, 2x 30 WAR, 7x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPDanya Tchekanov2038204752.08NO
RFMike Campbell2038204739.90NO
SPZak Johnson2038204731.73NO
RFMillard Younger2038204729.50NO
SPJim Armstrong2038204729.18NO
CFKidane Ata2038204728.70NO
CFPo-sin Shi2038204725.10NO
LFAnastasio Lopez2038204722.70NO
2BEdgardo Encarnacion2038204721.70NO
CFDan Flores2038204721.20NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 2032-
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Landis Champion- 34
Johnson Champion- 34
Frick Champion- 36, 37
Johnson League Southern- 34
Frick League Pacific- 37, 39
,Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:17 am

64) 17 Points: 2036

Batting: 59
Pitching: 64

8x Total: 2x 50 WAR, 3x 30 WAR, 3x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
2BAngel Zalapa2036204757.90NO
3BSteven Collins III2036204752.50NO
RFRamon Pagan2036204736.90NO
SPStephen Taub2036204734.11NO
SPJose Martinez2036204731.07NO
3BRoss Quicker2036204729.00NO
SPLuther Summers2036204528.37NO
SPLuis Rojas2036204722.92NO
1BYunosuke Terada2036204519.90NO
2BMiguel Rodri­guez2036204619.90NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 2032-
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Landis Champion- 34
Johnson Champion- 34
Frick Champion- 36, 37
Johnson League Southern- 34
Frick League Pacific- 37, 39
,Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

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63) 17 Points: 2035

Batting: 65
Pitching: 51

9x Total: 1x 60 WAR, 1x 40x WAR, 2x 30 WAR, 5x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPCarlos Valle2035204764.15NO
3BQuant Kouros2035204742.70NO
3BJuan Mendoza2035204732.30NO
SPKnud Zeitler2035204730.95NO
RPManuel Andres2035204629.50NO
SPHao Kun2035204726.75NO
SPAlejandro Ramirez2035204623.12NO
LFLuis Costello2035204722.50NO
LFVirgil Shafer2035204221.10NO
2BKeith Dean2035204619.50NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 2032-
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Landis Champion- 34
Johnson Champion- 34
Frick Champion- 36, 37
Johnson League Southern- 34
Frick League Pacific- 37, 39
,Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:21 am

62) 21 Points: 1988

Batting: 60
Pitching: 49

8x Total: 2x 60 WAR, 1x 40x WAR, 3x 30 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPWilliamson Prushnok1988200462.97NO
1BFlavio Luna1988200261.80NO
SPFelix Pan1988199943.20NO
1BDavid Smurf1988199939.30NO
SPSantos Vazquez1988199731.76NO
1BAkiru Matsumoto1988200030.10NO
2BTommy Corcoran1988199825.60NO
SPDaniel Kinard1988200025.39NO
LFHernando Padillo1988199917.50NO
LFCarmelo Murillo1988199516.50NO
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Landis Champion- 34
Johnson Champion- 34
Frick Champion- 36, 37
Johnson League Southern- 34
Frick League Pacific- 37, 39
,Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

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61) 23 Points: 2007

Batting: 54
Pitching: 55

10x Total: 1x 50 WAR, 3x 40x WAR, 4x 30 WAR, 2x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SPEsteban Beni­tez2007202556.65NO
LFBilly Beauford2007202348.70NO
SPJason Brooks2007202445.21NO
LFEd Mansfield2007202041.10NO
CRon Lipp2007202438.30NO
SSAlonso Rodri­guez2007202038.00NO
SPRussell Martin2007201937.97NO
3BArmando Rosales2007201937.40NO
RFLee O'Herlihy2007202028.50NO
3BRuben Venegas2007201822.00NO
Randy Weigand
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 2032-
1052-893

Landis Champion- 34
Johnson Champion- 34
Frick Champion- 36, 37
Johnson League Southern- 34
Frick League Pacific- 37, 39
,Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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60) 23 Points: 2023 (1x HOF)

Batting: 55
Pitching: 52

10x Total: 2x 60 WAR, 1x 40x WAR, 3x 30 WAR, 4x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
1BCisco Guerrero2023204069.80YES
3BMark Dempsey2023203963.40NO
SPJesus Tonche2023203747.99NO
SPMiguel Datiz2023203439.19NO
SPRick Ward2023203533.91NO
SPMario Mendez2023203630.26NO
3BAtilio Seabra2023203527.10NO
CFJorge Martinez2023203526.00NO
SPChester Kipling2023203321.59NO
LFJuan Cruz2023203420.00NO
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Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 2032-
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Landis Champion- 34
Johnson Champion- 34
Frick Champion- 36, 37
Johnson League Southern- 34
Frick League Pacific- 37, 39
,Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:35 am

59) 23 Points: 2024 (2x HOF)

Batting: 48
Pitching: 61

10x Total: 1x 70+ WAR, 1x 60 WAR, 1x 50x WAR, 1x 30 WAR, 6x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
CFAlfredo Marti­nez2024204174.70YES
1BGervasio Ridder2024204065.70YES
SPJose Chavez2024203854.53NO
SPTavio Ciccolella2024203938.44NO
3BHolden Blackwell2024203727.20NO
CFFrancisco Flores2024203626.60NO
CSam Adams2024203526.40NO
SSPaul Backstrom2024203626.20NO
3BLuke Jordan2024203523.00NO
SPGerardo Castillo2024203520.38NO
Randy Weigand
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 2032-
1052-893

Landis Champion- 34
Johnson Champion- 34
Frick Champion- 36, 37
Johnson League Southern- 34
Frick League Pacific- 37, 39
,Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:20 am

58) 23 Points: 2026 (3x HOF)

Batting: 57
Pitching: 46

12x Total: 1x 70+ WAR, 1x 50 WAR, 3x 30 WAR, 7x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
SSJared Gillstrom20262043113.40YES
SPLawrence Columbus LaLoosh2026203953.53YES
SPJody Nunez2026203734.54NO
SPAntonio Correa2026203633.89NO
1BDusty Rhodes2026204231.90YES
SPJorge Ortiz2026203728.92NO
RFSteve Dempsey2026204225.70NO
1BRupert Grant2026204225.60NO
SPAlfredo Granados2026203624.87NO
2BDave Wilfer2026203724.70NO
SPJuan Hernandez2026203624.69NO
RPEsteban Velasquez2026204121.50NO
Randy Weigand
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 2032-
1052-893

Landis Champion- 34
Johnson Champion- 34
Frick Champion- 36, 37
Johnson League Southern- 34
Frick League Pacific- 37, 39
,Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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Re: Best Debut Classes (Overall) Post 2047

Post by usnspecialist » Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:26 am

57) 23 Points: 2025 (2x HOF)

Batting: 51
Pitching: 56

10x Total: 2x 70+ WAR, 4x 30 WAR, 4x 20 WAR
POSITIONNameFROMTOWARHOF
LFAlfredo Salazar2025204174.10YES
CCisco Arreola2025204171.90YES
SPAnastasio Quintana2025203534.43NO
LFJorge Rodriguez2025204133.60NO
SPGerardo Fajardo2025203933.23NO
SPMike Bailey2025203830.12NO
CFJorge Vargas2025203928.10NO
SPMarcos Villegas2025204023.74NO
CFDomenic Wyatt2025203922.90NO
SPGabriel Alfonso2025203520.21NO
Randy Weigand
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 2032-
1052-893

Landis Champion- 34
Johnson Champion- 34
Frick Champion- 36, 37
Johnson League Southern- 34
Frick League Pacific- 37, 39
,Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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