Rule idea: Cap Injury Exceptions And Insurance

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Re: Rule idea: Cap Injury Exceptions And Insurance

Post by bschr682 » Sat Aug 02, 2014 9:34 pm

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Re: Rule idea: Cap Injury Exceptions And Insurance

Post by recte44 » Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:53 am

Sounds like more work.

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Re: Rule idea: Cap Injury Exceptions And Insurance

Post by aaronweiner » Sun Aug 03, 2014 7:22 am

recte44 wrote:Sounds like more work.

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For me, yes. I can live with that.

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Re: Rule idea: Cap Injury Exceptions And Insurance

Post by crobillard » Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:16 am

Yeah, I don't like the idea. More work, tracking things like "who was on the opening day roster," etc. We already have a 27 man roster, that should be able to cover the injury. Baseball is about depth and injuries are part of the game. Annoying, but thems the breaks. Basketball needs this sort of thing because there are only 12 players on the game roster.

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Re: Rule idea: Cap Injury Exceptions And Insurance

Post by nerfHerder » Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:34 am

recte44 wrote:Sounds like more work.

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I don't even do the work and I don't like it. More stuff to keep track of too. It's already tough on new GM's with all of our "outside the game" stuff. Bonus funds, stadium maintenance, Rule 6, can't sign a guy with less than 5yrs to an extension over 3 yrs. It just gets to be too much I guess. That being said, I'd roll with the punches.
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Re: Rule idea: Cap Injury Exceptions And Insurance

Post by JimBob2232 » Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:52 am

nerfHerder wrote:
recte44 wrote:Sounds like more work.

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I don't even do the work and I don't like it. More stuff to keep track of too. It's already tough on new GM's with all of our "outside the game" stuff. Bonus funds, stadium maintenance, Rule 6, can't sign a guy with less than 5yrs to an extension over 3 yrs. It just gets to be too much I guess. That being said, I'd roll with the punches.
I concur. There is becoming a steep learning curve in this league (i think...but im an old hat). The less out of the game stuff the better. It might be a good idea to put an FAQ of all these "out of the game" rules somewhere (i know...they are in the constiturtion..who who reads that???? :)

And not to detrail the topic too much...but it might be worth reconsidering that "less than 5, no more than 3" rule. From what I am seeing with OOTP15, im not sure it is still an issue. Could be wrong though.

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Re: Rule idea: Cap Injury Exceptions And Insurance

Post by bschr682 » Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:57 am

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nerfHerder wrote:
recte44 wrote:Sounds like more work.

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I don't even do the work and I don't like it. More stuff to keep track of too. It's already tough on new GM's with all of our "outside the game" stuff. Bonus funds, stadium maintenance, Rule 6, can't sign a guy with less than 5yrs to an extension over 3 yrs. It just gets to be too much I guess. That being said, I'd roll with the punches.
I concur. There is becoming a steep learning curve in this league (i think...but im an old hat). The less out of the game stuff the better. It might be a good idea to put an FAQ of all these "out of the game" rules somewhere (i know...they are in the constiturtion..who who reads that???? :)

And not to detrail the topic too much...but it might be worth reconsidering that "less than 5, no more than 3" rule. From what I am seeing with OOTP15, im not sure it is still an issue. Could be wrong though.
When this guy signs for 3 years and only gets 8.3 million TOTAL!, it is still very much an issue.
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Re: Rule idea: Cap Injury Exceptions And Insurance

Post by leejay56 » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:12 am

I feel for all the extra work involved and all the tracking when only a small group of managers will use is not a good idea at this point...

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Re: Rule idea: Cap Injury Exceptions And Insurance

Post by aaronweiner » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:31 am

Guys, it's not really THAT much tracking. It's only season-ending injuries. How many of those are there a year? A dozen tops, and we know exactly when it happened because it's written on the player cards. If it was difficult to manage I wouldn't do it. (It could be made a LOT harder by rolling refunds and whatnot for non-season enders but that actually does sound like a nightmare.)

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Re: Rule idea: Cap Injury Exceptions And Insurance

Post by JimBob2232 » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:34 am

bschr682 wrote:
When this guy signs for 3 years and only gets 8.3 million TOTAL!, it is still very much an issue.
Fair enough. I have some guys asking for 4 year contracts in the 90-120M range...which i think is crazy! Maybe my sample is off from the rest of the league.

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Re: Rule idea: Cap Injury Exceptions And Insurance

Post by bschr682 » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:44 am

3 Landis titles recently and with the ridiculously low rates you are paying Martinez and McCabe (two of the best pitchers in the league currently), the criminal deals Elias and Perry signed, Altavista locked in reasonably, etc, etc. You are the last person that should be bringing up salary issues my friend.

That said I suppose Melendez wants a truckload of money but who are the other 2?
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Re: Rule idea: Cap Injury Exceptions And Insurance

Post by aaronweiner » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:51 am

JimBob2232 wrote:
bschr682 wrote:
When this guy signs for 3 years and only gets 8.3 million TOTAL!, it is still very much an issue.
Fair enough. I have some guys asking for 4 year contracts in the 90-120M range...which i think is crazy! Maybe my sample is off from the rest of the league.
I think we got our forums crossed.

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Re: Rule idea: Cap Injury Exceptions And Insurance

Post by bschr682 » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:05 pm

JimBob2232 wrote:
4 year contracts in the 90-120M range...which i think is crazy!
But putting my jealousy of your team aside, 4 years 90+ is too much in a league with a 110 cap. 5 for 100 is maybe ok for a true superstud like say Juan Garcia or Bo Jordan but even that's an awfully big chunk of the cap.
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Re: Rule idea: Cap Injury Exceptions And Insurance

Post by JimBob2232 » Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:42 pm

bschr682 wrote:3 Landis titles recently and with the ridiculously low rates you are paying Martinez and McCabe (two of the best pitchers in the league currently), the criminal deals Elias and Perry signed, Altavista locked in reasonably, etc, etc. You are the last person that should be bringing up salary issues my friend.

That said I suppose Melendez wants a truckload of money but who are the other 2?
Davis and Blue.

I'm not complaining...I've had some good success here, and gotten some good home team discounts. I admit that. My point was that with ootp15...it appeared (from my standpoint) that this was a relic in the past, and that maybe getting rid of the 5/3 rule was warranted. As others have pointed out...I may be wrong, and it just might be a few guys on my team asking for the moon.

I am actually all in favor of seeing players demand higher salaries. It makes this game more strategic, and fun. I am concerned that we might have "gone too far", but I haven't yet seen the data to back up my suspicion. In 3-5 years, it wouldn't suprise me if we have some studs (like Melendez) in the FA pool demanding 25-30M, but no team has the cap room to sign him. Even worse if he heads to the EFA.

Just worth keeping an eye on IMO. No changes needed just yet.

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Re: Rule idea: Cap Injury Exceptions And Insurance

Post by bschr682 » Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:43 pm

JimBob2232 wrote:
bschr682 wrote:3 Landis titles recently and with the ridiculously low rates you are paying Martinez and McCabe (two of the best pitchers in the league currently), the criminal deals Elias and Perry signed, Altavista locked in reasonably, etc, etc. You are the last person that should be bringing up salary issues my friend.

That said I suppose Melendez wants a truckload of money but who are the other 2?
Davis and Blue.

I'm not complaining...I've had some good success here, and gotten some good home team discounts. I admit that. My point was that with ootp15...it appeared (from my standpoint) that this was a relic in the past, and that maybe getting rid of the 5/3 rule was warranted. As others have pointed out...I may be wrong, and it just might be a few guys on my team asking for the moon.

I am actually all in favor of seeing players demand higher salaries. It makes this game more strategic, and fun. I am concerned that we might have "gone too far", but I haven't yet seen the data to back up my suspicion. In 3-5 years, it wouldn't suprise me if we have some studs (like Melendez) in the FA pool demanding 25-30M, but no team has the cap room to sign him. Even worse if he heads to the EFA.

Just worth keeping an eye on IMO. No changes needed just yet.
Now that I agree with. If OOTP gets better and better, the need for these extra rules will disappear and we can axe 'em.
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Re: Rule idea: Cap Injury Exceptions And Insurance

Post by trmmilwwi » Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:45 pm

Melendez heading to the EBA and then being the #1 pick in the next years Rule 6 draft isn't too bad really is it?
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Re: Rule idea: Cap Injury Exceptions And Insurance

Post by JimBob2232 » Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:10 pm

trmmilwwi wrote:Melendez heading to the EBA and then being the #1 pick in the next years Rule 6 draft isn't too bad really is it?
We're getting ahead of ourselves....but. iF it happens..yes, it would be bad. Top talent should stay in the MBBA, not the EBA.

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