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Add a low-A ball league, or start rookie ball earlier

Post by njherdfan » Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:48 pm

When looking through a lot of my younger prospects before the season, I wasn't sure if I should keep them in rookie ball, where there season wouldn't start until July and they'd lose out on a bunch of at-bats, or if I should promote them to A ball, where they would probably struggle, but they would get development time. One player that stuck out was Jamie Ramos. I wanted him to get as much time in the field as he could to improve his skills, and I didn't want him not to play until July. Of course, if you look at his page, he's not good enough for A ball, where he's playing against a lot of guys who are much older than him. There's also a good chance I'm just an idiot and I shouldn't have called him up out of rookie ball.

I've always thought that OOTP wanted your prospects on the field to help them develop, and I also think that the current situation leads to rookie league rosters being clogged with too many players. I'm not sure how much work it would take to create a league, but I think a low-A league for young players a year or 2 out of the draft (or for anyone really, but that would be its primary purpose) would be beneficial for everyone involved; young players would get to play against similar competition, and it would help their development . Thoughts?
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Re: Add a low-A ball league, or start rookie ball earlier

Post by agrudez » Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:50 pm

I'm not a fan of adding a 5th minor league level, but I definitely would vote for making the RL a full season league. In fact, I thought it already was and was kind of surprised when I checked this year and they weren't playing yet!
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Re: Add a low-A ball league, or start rookie ball earlier

Post by aaronweiner » Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:57 pm

Starting rookie league earlier makes more sense now that we're getting the draft done by the middle of April.

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Post by wualumni » Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:57 pm

I'd go with Kyle on this one. Just make the Rookie season a full season.


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Post by njherdfan » Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:00 pm

Just curious, am I just not being diligent in cutting the useless players from my rookie ball team? Because I have like 60 guys there. I just figured that since our rosters are so similar to MLB's, that we'd want another level to let more guys get consistent playing time.
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Post by trmmilwwi » Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:01 pm

wualumni wrote:I'd go with Kyle on this one. Just make the Rookie season a full season.


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Re: Add a low-A ball league, or start rookie ball earlier

Post by aaronweiner » Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:01 pm

njherdfan wrote:Just curious, am I just not being diligent in cutting the useless players from my rookie ball team? Because I have like 60 guys there. I just figured that since our rosters are so similar to MLB's, that we'd want another level to let more guys get consistent playing time.
I'm not sure how that works. I always cut the useless players from my rookie league team.

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Post by agrudez » Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:05 pm

aaronweiner wrote:Starting rookie league earlier makes more sense now that we're getting the draft done by the middle of April.
They still don't go into the file until June, though, but the RL (at least ours) isn't all about recent draftees, either.
njherdfan wrote:Just curious, am I just not being diligent in cutting the useless players from my rookie ball team? Because I have like 60 guys there. I just figured that since our rosters are so similar to MLB's, that we'd want another level to let more guys get consistent playing time.
We have, imo, way too many rounds in our ammy draft - which creates a pretty sizable dump of scrubs into your RL every June. I usually take this time to go through my RL team and cut all of the >22 year olds that haven't deserved promotions yet, but I also usually end up cutting a bunch of the recent draftees as well.

Even if you added a SA league, it'd solve your overabundance of scrubs for one season, but you'd be back to having 60 guys in RL next June again, haha.
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Post by wualumni » Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:28 pm

I usually cut 10 or so draft picks after they show up each season on my rookie league team.


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Post by Greeney03 » Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:43 pm

njherdfan wrote:When looking through a lot of my younger prospects before the season, I wasn't sure if I should keep them in rookie ball, where there season wouldn't start until July and they'd lose out on a bunch of at-bats, or if I should promote them to A ball, where they would probably struggle, but they would get development time. One player that stuck out was Jamie Ramos. I wanted him to get as much time in the field as he could to improve his skills, and I didn't want him not to play until July. Of course, if you look at his page, he's not good enough for A ball, where he's playing against a lot of guys who are much older than him. There's also a good chance I'm just an idiot and I shouldn't have called him up out of rookie ball.

I've always thought that OOTP wanted your prospects on the field to help them develop, and I also think that the current situation leads to rookie league rosters being clogged with too many players. I'm not sure how much work it would take to create a league, but I think a low-A league for young players a year or 2 out of the draft (or for anyone really, but that would be its primary purpose) would be beneficial for everyone involved; young players would get to play against similar competition, and it would help their development . Thoughts?
I thought about bringing my rookies up to single A after the draft so they can get some at-bats. THe problem is, when you send them down, their morale is affected. With that said, I agree with Kyle on this. Make RL a full season.
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Re: Add a low-A ball league, or start rookie ball earlier

Post by njherdfan » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:56 am

So what's the primary opposition to adding a 5th minor league level? Is it the time it would take to manage a 5th team?
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Post by aaronweiner » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:14 am

I'm not sure that there is a problem at this point with it, but when do we add the sixth because the fifth isn't enough?

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Post by mrbornac » Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:00 am

I started a poll in the past few years asking to add the short season A, and there was no preference by the league, so it died on the vine.
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Post by recte44 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:41 am

We can do this. Also, how bout an advanced fall league?

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Re: Add a low-A ball league, or start rookie ball earlier

Post by agrudez » Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:42 am

njherdfan wrote:So what's the primary opposition to adding a 5th minor league level? Is it the time it would take to manage a 5th team?
Well, yeah... but it is also because the "added reward" vs. "added committment" is null, as Aaron hints at:
aaronweiner wrote:I'm not sure that there is a problem at this point with it, but when do we add the sixth because the fifth isn't enough?
As he alludes to, if we add a 5th to collect all of the extra chaff that our extra long ammy draft outputs per year it ONLY "fixes" the issue for this (and MAYBE next) season. After that, you'll be overflooded once again and be asking for a 6th league to fill up.
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Post by aaronweiner » Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:47 am

I think it would take about two or three years, but that's neither here nor there. The biggest problem is that everyone wants to hold onto their mediocre prospects, including me, in hopes that they'll turn into gold.

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Post by agrudez » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:04 pm

aaronweiner wrote:The biggest problem is that everyone wants to hold onto their mediocre prospects, including me, in hopes that they'll turn into gold.
I just checked SEA out.

RL:
3 23 year olds
15 22 year olds

A:
8 >25 year olds
2 25 year olds
6 24 year olds

That is 34 players right off the top that are probably past their expiration date. I mean, even an EXTREME optimist can't be holding out hope for those 10 guys at 25 or greater in A-ball!
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Re: Add a low-A ball league, or start rookie ball earlier

Post by aaronweiner » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:45 pm

My problem is going to come in next year, when the vast majority of my rookie league team is still going to be under 22 years old, but I'll have a whole new draft to consider. And even moreso in two years. I'll definitely be squeezed in three years. But I agree that most people don't have enough of a problem to consider adding a whole other level.
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aaronweiner wrote:The biggest problem is that everyone wants to hold onto their mediocre prospects, including me, in hopes that they'll turn into gold.
I just checked SEA out.

RL:
3 23 year olds
15 22 year olds

A:
8 >25 year olds
2 25 year olds
6 24 year olds

That is 34 players right off the top that are probably past their expiration date. I mean, even an EXTREME optimist can't be holding out hope for those 10 guys at 25 or greater in A-ball!

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Re: Add a low-A ball league, or start rookie ball earlier

Post by Cliche » Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:58 pm

recte44 wrote:We can do this. Also, how bout an advanced fall league?

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Re: Add a low-A ball league, or start rookie ball earlier

Post by njherdfan » Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:57 am

I just wanted to bump this because I wasn't sure what the resolution is, and if we're changing schedules it might need to be done now.
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