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Add a low-A ball league, or start rookie ball earlier
When looking through a lot of my younger prospects before the season, I wasn't sure if I should keep them in rookie ball, where there season wouldn't start until July and they'd lose out on a bunch of at-bats, or if I should promote them to A ball, where they would probably struggle, but they would get development time. One player that stuck out was Jamie Ramos. I wanted him to get as much time in the field as he could to improve his skills, and I didn't want him not to play until July. Of course, if you look at his page, he's not good enough for A ball, where he's playing against a lot of guys who are much older than him. There's also a good chance I'm just an idiot and I shouldn't have called him up out of rookie ball.
I've always thought that OOTP wanted your prospects on the field to help them develop, and I also think that the current situation leads to rookie league rosters being clogged with too many players. I'm not sure how much work it would take to create a league, but I think a low-A league for young players a year or 2 out of the draft (or for anyone really, but that would be its primary purpose) would be beneficial for everyone involved; young players would get to play against similar competition, and it would help their development . Thoughts?
I've always thought that OOTP wanted your prospects on the field to help them develop, and I also think that the current situation leads to rookie league rosters being clogged with too many players. I'm not sure how much work it would take to create a league, but I think a low-A league for young players a year or 2 out of the draft (or for anyone really, but that would be its primary purpose) would be beneficial for everyone involved; young players would get to play against similar competition, and it would help their development . Thoughts?
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Re: Add a low-A ball league, or start rookie ball earlier
I'm not a fan of adding a 5th minor league level, but I definitely would vote for making the RL a full season league. In fact, I thought it already was and was kind of surprised when I checked this year and they weren't playing yet!
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Re: Add a low-A ball league, or start rookie ball earlier
Starting rookie league earlier makes more sense now that we're getting the draft done by the middle of April.
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I'd go with Kyle on this one. Just make the Rookie season a full season.
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Re: Add a low-A ball league, or start rookie ball earlier
Just curious, am I just not being diligent in cutting the useless players from my rookie ball team? Because I have like 60 guys there. I just figured that since our rosters are so similar to MLB's, that we'd want another level to let more guys get consistent playing time.
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Re: Add a low-A ball league, or start rookie ball earlier
wualumni wrote:I'd go with Kyle on this one. Just make the Rookie season a full season.
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Re: Add a low-A ball league, or start rookie ball earlier
I'm not sure how that works. I always cut the useless players from my rookie league team.njherdfan wrote:Just curious, am I just not being diligent in cutting the useless players from my rookie ball team? Because I have like 60 guys there. I just figured that since our rosters are so similar to MLB's, that we'd want another level to let more guys get consistent playing time.
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Re: Add a low-A ball league, or start rookie ball earlier
They still don't go into the file until June, though, but the RL (at least ours) isn't all about recent draftees, either.aaronweiner wrote:Starting rookie league earlier makes more sense now that we're getting the draft done by the middle of April.
We have, imo, way too many rounds in our ammy draft - which creates a pretty sizable dump of scrubs into your RL every June. I usually take this time to go through my RL team and cut all of the >22 year olds that haven't deserved promotions yet, but I also usually end up cutting a bunch of the recent draftees as well.njherdfan wrote:Just curious, am I just not being diligent in cutting the useless players from my rookie ball team? Because I have like 60 guys there. I just figured that since our rosters are so similar to MLB's, that we'd want another level to let more guys get consistent playing time.
Even if you added a SA league, it'd solve your overabundance of scrubs for one season, but you'd be back to having 60 guys in RL next June again, haha.
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I usually cut 10 or so draft picks after they show up each season on my rookie league team.
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I thought about bringing my rookies up to single A after the draft so they can get some at-bats. THe problem is, when you send them down, their morale is affected. With that said, I agree with Kyle on this. Make RL a full season.njherdfan wrote:When looking through a lot of my younger prospects before the season, I wasn't sure if I should keep them in rookie ball, where there season wouldn't start until July and they'd lose out on a bunch of at-bats, or if I should promote them to A ball, where they would probably struggle, but they would get development time. One player that stuck out was Jamie Ramos. I wanted him to get as much time in the field as he could to improve his skills, and I didn't want him not to play until July. Of course, if you look at his page, he's not good enough for A ball, where he's playing against a lot of guys who are much older than him. There's also a good chance I'm just an idiot and I shouldn't have called him up out of rookie ball.
I've always thought that OOTP wanted your prospects on the field to help them develop, and I also think that the current situation leads to rookie league rosters being clogged with too many players. I'm not sure how much work it would take to create a league, but I think a low-A league for young players a year or 2 out of the draft (or for anyone really, but that would be its primary purpose) would be beneficial for everyone involved; young players would get to play against similar competition, and it would help their development . Thoughts?
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Re: Add a low-A ball league, or start rookie ball earlier
So what's the primary opposition to adding a 5th minor league level? Is it the time it would take to manage a 5th team?
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I'm not sure that there is a problem at this point with it, but when do we add the sixth because the fifth isn't enough?
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I started a poll in the past few years asking to add the short season A, and there was no preference by the league, so it died on the vine.
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Re: Add a low-A ball league, or start rookie ball earlier
We can do this. Also, how bout an advanced fall league?
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Well, yeah... but it is also because the "added reward" vs. "added committment" is null, as Aaron hints at:njherdfan wrote:So what's the primary opposition to adding a 5th minor league level? Is it the time it would take to manage a 5th team?
As he alludes to, if we add a 5th to collect all of the extra chaff that our extra long ammy draft outputs per year it ONLY "fixes" the issue for this (and MAYBE next) season. After that, you'll be overflooded once again and be asking for a 6th league to fill up.aaronweiner wrote:I'm not sure that there is a problem at this point with it, but when do we add the sixth because the fifth isn't enough?
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I think it would take about two or three years, but that's neither here nor there. The biggest problem is that everyone wants to hold onto their mediocre prospects, including me, in hopes that they'll turn into gold.
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I just checked SEA out.aaronweiner wrote:The biggest problem is that everyone wants to hold onto their mediocre prospects, including me, in hopes that they'll turn into gold.
RL:
3 23 year olds
15 22 year olds
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8 >25 year olds
2 25 year olds
6 24 year olds
That is 34 players right off the top that are probably past their expiration date. I mean, even an EXTREME optimist can't be holding out hope for those 10 guys at 25 or greater in A-ball!
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My problem is going to come in next year, when the vast majority of my rookie league team is still going to be under 22 years old, but I'll have a whole new draft to consider. And even moreso in two years. I'll definitely be squeezed in three years. But I agree that most people don't have enough of a problem to consider adding a whole other level.
agrudez wrote:I just checked SEA out.aaronweiner wrote:The biggest problem is that everyone wants to hold onto their mediocre prospects, including me, in hopes that they'll turn into gold.
RL:
3 23 year olds
15 22 year olds
A:
8 >25 year olds
2 25 year olds
6 24 year olds
That is 34 players right off the top that are probably past their expiration date. I mean, even an EXTREME optimist can't be holding out hope for those 10 guys at 25 or greater in A-ball!
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Advanced fall league?recte44 wrote:We can do this. Also, how bout an advanced fall league?
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Re: Add a low-A ball league, or start rookie ball earlier
I just wanted to bump this because I wasn't sure what the resolution is, and if we're changing schedules it might need to be done now.
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