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Re: What to do with Comp Picks?

Post by GoldenOne » Wed Feb 08, 2023 5:21 pm

BaseClogger wrote:
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There is also the possibility of moving your team to a place that might have a larger Market Size. There is more involved to that that just "wanting to move" your team, but its still a possibility.
Basically every team in the league has the “massive” market size. I asked about this on discord and one of the GB members mentioned they think they standardized that across the board a few years ago. As far as I can tell, the only reason to move is for personal taste preferences.
Hmm. I thought I remember there being more. So, its me, Madison, and Twin Cities that are less than Astronomical. That sucks for us.
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Re: What to do with Comp Picks?

Post by BaseClogger » Wed Feb 08, 2023 6:12 pm

GoldenOne wrote:
Wed Feb 08, 2023 5:21 pm
BaseClogger wrote:
Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:08 pm
GoldenOne wrote:
Wed Feb 08, 2023 10:01 am
There is also the possibility of moving your team to a place that might have a larger Market Size. There is more involved to that that just "wanting to move" your team, but its still a possibility.
Basically every team in the league has the “massive” market size. I asked about this on discord and one of the GB members mentioned they think they standardized that across the board a few years ago. As far as I can tell, the only reason to move is for personal taste preferences.
Hmm. I thought I remember there being more. So, its me, Madison, and Twin Cities that are less than Astronomical. That sucks for us.
There’s not even a pattern there, is there? Seems like they all should be restandardized to astronomical.
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Re: What to do with Comp Picks?

Post by trmmilwwi » Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:19 pm

Like seeing the discussion on this, also that the GB thought to open things up for feedback. Good stuff happening.

I don't have the history lately of knowing the details of comp picks but it seems like shifting them to later rounds still lends "some" value to them without limiting the value of the top end of the early rounds. I have no idea what it would affect but maybe the middle ground is a good place to be.
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Re: What to do with Comp Picks?

Post by aaronweiner » Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:38 pm

So hey. Just looked at the draft. It appears we have ONE comp pick.

If that's how the system goes now, and we're barring playoff teams from getting comp picks, this isn't even really a topic of conversation. No reason to even talk about it.

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Re: What to do with Comp Picks?

Post by JimSlade » Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:21 pm

With all the teams in the league, I'd be fine with killing them. It's hard enough for middle-of-the-pack teams to build through the draft.
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Re: What to do with Comp Picks?

Post by usnspecialist » Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:28 am

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So hey. Just looked at the draft. It appears we have ONE comp pick.

If that's how the system goes now, and we're barring playoff teams from getting comp picks, this isn't even really a topic of conversation. No reason to even talk about it.
it makes sense to limit them to non-playoff teams, but the formula is exceedingly confusing and convuluted (and if you disagree, just look at the discussion on discord surrounding who was eligible and who isnt).
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Re: What to do with Comp Picks?

Post by GoldenOne » Wed Mar 08, 2023 7:24 am

usnspecialist wrote:
Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:28 am
aaronweiner wrote:
Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:38 pm
So hey. Just looked at the draft. It appears we have ONE comp pick.

If that's how the system goes now, and we're barring playoff teams from getting comp picks, this isn't even really a topic of conversation. No reason to even talk about it.
it makes sense to limit them to non-playoff teams, but the formula is exceedingly confusing and convuluted (and if you disagree, just look at the discussion on discord surrounding who was eligible and who isnt).
Yes, but people are going to take that discussion and turn it into a reason why we should do away with comp picks when the comp picks arent the problem.

The problem that was trying to be solved with comp picks was that there were just far too many so that by the time we were getting to the 2nd and 3rd rounds, there had already been 30+ picks that were comp picks. We've seen this year what eliminating playoff teams from getting comp picks can do to those numbers, and I dont think anyone really, truly, has a problem with that filter.

And then when you add in no comp picks for RPs (cause it was way too easy for RPs to hit the number, that's where a majority of those picks were coming from, and when we implemented this rule we had a LOT of RPs that were getting more than 150 innings a season), it drew down the number of comp picks again. And I dont think anyone has an issue with this rule either.

The real issue here seems to be with this 2-year average, and then the current year also has to have been at a certain number, etc. Nobody likes this or understands this rule.

I say, not that many people care about my input, go back to the 1-year WAR rule, keep the no RPs and no playoff teams, and see where that gets us. If its in the 5-7 comp pick range then its a winner. If its more than that, maybe raise the level of WAR slightly. Its still a winning formula though. It gets those teams that are non-playoff/rebuilding teams an extra pick, which, with recent drafts are maybe a 40-45 POT - a chance to legitimately build their teams. And those playoff teams and high budget teams - your first round pick is not affected and your second round pick, which would be in the 35-40 POT range, would be 3-4 picks later, and guess what, still in that 35-40 POT range. And then your third round pick, gee, that got pushed back by 5-7 picks. And really, after the second round, how many teams have already set their selections to Auto and/or List pick anyway? (The answer is most.)

Comp picks actually used to be an interesting part of the trading game as well. The thought of a comp pick could be used as leverage, on either side of the discussions. Since this rule has been implemented, I havent had one person tell me they would get a better comp pick than what I was offering. And I used to tell guys that I was offering a better-than-comp-pick player in discussions as well. No more though. And I truly believe that that is because nobody wants to do the work to figure out what guys might be worth a comp pick and the fact that the drafts just arent what they were when the rule was created - its just not worth it at all.

Dont take away a legitimate way for non-playoff teams to build up their teams just because we instituted a rule that I dont think anyone has ever actually liked.
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Re: What to do with Comp Picks?

Post by aaronweiner » Wed Mar 08, 2023 7:55 am

The two year average (which was my invention) isn't hard to understand really. They have to both hit the WAR number in Year 2 and their two-year WAR average also has to hit the number. If the benchmark is 2.5 WAR, they have to have had that in Year 2 and also have their two-year average hit that mark, so 2.5 in Year 2 and 5 total over two years.

This takes away comp picks from bizarro world one year wonders.

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Re: What to do with Comp Picks?

Post by GoldenOne » Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:05 am

aaronweiner wrote:
Wed Mar 08, 2023 7:55 am
The two year average (which was my invention) isn't hard to understand really. They have to both hit the WAR number in Year 2 and their two-year WAR average also has to hit the number. If the benchmark is 2.5 WAR, they have to have had that in Year 2 and also have their two-year average hit that mark, so 2.5 in Year 2 and 5 total over two years.

This takes away comp picks from bizarro world one year wonders.
But its the 1-year bizarros that make things fun. When you sign that 50 POT guy to a 1-year contract and he decides to go off and have an AS season - good for you that your gamble turns into a #65 overall pick.

The 2-year average also penalizes you for giving a guy a contract that may have been on a crap team the season before. Take Mark Thomas. Decent player that played on some rough San Antonio teams. On pace for a 3.2 WAR season. Would almost get you a Type A comp pick should someone sign him next offseason. Instead, a slight misstep this season and he wouldnt even get you a Type B, even though he still had the highest strikeouts of his career and lowest ERA of his career. You may not care, but that's kind of a kick in the balls to a lot of GMs that are trying to build their teams.

Otherwise, when I am trying to wonder if signing a FA could potentially net me a Comp Pick.....
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Re: What to do with Comp Picks?

Post by niles08 » Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:11 am

What feels like forever ago....I proposed the following..

1..) Make the comp picks be for the 2nd and third round instead of 1st and 2nd round, or shift it even later. the NFL for instance doesn't give out comp picks ahead of the 3rd round. This would lower the "importance of them".

Also....I proposed...

2.) Have a "draft lottery" for the top 5 (or bottom, however you look at it) teams in the draft to determine picks 1-5. MLB is already actively doing this...

3.) Another strange one...maybe we should penalize those "rich" teams who sign IFA's. If they sign an IFA for over the cap, they lose a draft pick? This would open up IFA's for lower budget or rebuilding teams and potentially shorten the draft.
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Re: What to do with Comp Picks?

Post by GoldenOne » Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:17 am

niles08 wrote:
Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:11 am
What feels like forever ago....I proposed the following..

1..) Make the comp picks be for the 2nd and third round instead of 1st and 2nd round, or shift it even later. the NFL for instance doesn't give out comp picks ahead of the 3rd round. This would lower the "importance of them".

Also....I proposed...

2.) Have a "draft lottery" for the top 5 (or bottom, however you look at it) teams in the draft to determine picks 1-5. MLB is already actively doing this...

3.) Another strange one...maybe we should penalize those "rich" teams who sign IFA's. If they sign an IFA for over the cap, they lose a draft pick? This would open up IFA's for lower budget or rebuilding teams and potentially shorten the draft.
1) This is baseball, not football. Screw football.
2) I think our 3-year average does away with the need for a lottery.
3) I think IFAs is more of an issue than comp picks. Anyone can manage to get a comp pick (well, now only non-playoff teams) but only those rich clubs with huge budgets can really play in the IFA world.
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Re: What to do with Comp Picks?

Post by BaseClogger » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:29 pm

GoldenOne wrote:
Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:17 am
niles08 wrote:
Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:11 am
What feels like forever ago....I proposed the following..

1..) Make the comp picks be for the 2nd and third round instead of 1st and 2nd round, or shift it even later. the NFL for instance doesn't give out comp picks ahead of the 3rd round. This would lower the "importance of them".

Also....I proposed...

2.) Have a "draft lottery" for the top 5 (or bottom, however you look at it) teams in the draft to determine picks 1-5. MLB is already actively doing this...

3.) Another strange one...maybe we should penalize those "rich" teams who sign IFA's. If they sign an IFA for over the cap, they lose a draft pick? This would open up IFA's for lower budget or rebuilding teams and potentially shorten the draft.
1) This is baseball, not football. Screw football.
2) I think our 3-year average does away with the need for a lottery.
3) I think IFAs is more of an issue than comp picks. Anyone can manage to get a comp pick (well, now only non-playoff teams) but only those rich clubs with huge budgets can really play in the IFA world.
I complete agree with Brett (gross) on all three points.
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