Lazy is a relative word.Ted wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:28 amThis is the same as any job I've ever had. When things are going well, everyone gets along. When they aren't, people start to have conflict. The only difference is that no job environment tolerates people who aren't pulling their own weight (i.e. slackers). Those people don't exist in sport. Lazy people don't get to be pro athletes.
There is selection bias in every profession. And "lazy" is tolerated to the degree that performance matters. There is a cost to replacing a "lazy" performer that can be measured in things like "recruiting time" and "social disruption." If you fire a lazy employee that is providing some value and is well-liked, you can cause problems in your work force. If you're getting 50% value from a team member and your choice is to keep them here or go six months without one, that changes the dynamic. If you can replace them immediately, you still have an onboarding period. A sports team has the same dynamic, but a different resource pool.Corporate team models likely don't apply to sports well simply because of the selection bias that allows one to become a pro athlete.
I generally disagree with that. Show me proof.These guys are already all the same. Driven, hard working, type A, perfectionists. They've all spent decades in team environments learning how to co-exist with others like themselves.
Players are different, and players can change from year to year and month to month. In other words, they are human beings.
You use the term "lazy" a lot. That's fine, but it's not particularly precise. Kids are interviewed to death, and often are said to be personality concerns, but still go high. Can I get a Johnny Football, anyone? "Low Work Ethic" in OOTP speak could well be viewed as a relative term. "Low" relative to the pool of players who have passed the selection bias. We're not dealing with every kid in the world in OOTP after all. We're dealing only with kids who are considered draftable.I mean, the very idea that a 18 year old kid who is going to go in the first round of the draft has poor work ethic is complete nonsense. That's not even possible. Lazy kids don't get picked in rd 1.
As noted earlier, a player trait in OOTP will change on its own. We also have the ability to physically change it due to our house rules.They probably don't get picked in rd 20. I could see the hypothetical genetic god who if he just worked harder could be better, but that's like maybe 1-2 % of players, tops. Professional athletes are more or less all the same personality type with rare exceptions. They've been groomed throughout their impressionable childhoods to be that way, and most of the ones that don't fit in, don't make it. It's an ultra competitive, be like everyone else, environment. Kids that don't fit in don't continue to strive to get better. They go play video games or look at pretty girls or boys or do drugs or whatever the cool kids do now.
This is not far off the idea of hiring employees out of college (or drafting players). You know when you are hiring people that you are getting people who are not yet mature, but who are often highly competitive--and don't even try to tell me that the MBAs of the world don't know they are in a cutthroat world. Talk about driven, competitive people. When you're hiring them, though, you know that some are going to be "bad" for the team and some are not. The challenge is to try to get it right, and be able to adjust quickly when you get it wrong. A question that is often asked in this situation is whether the orgnazation can groom them properly--in other words, can we make sure their personality develops.
In the case of "work ethic" that's a question that is addressed in both background interviews and personal interviews. My belief is that this is no different in sport. Not every player can be the first into the gym and the last to leave, and players and coaches know who is putting in the work and who is not. "Practice? We talking about practice?"
