OOTP Engine: Pitching Philosophies

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OOTP Engine: Pitching Philosophies

Post by jleddy » Wed May 13, 2020 4:32 am

This isn't so much about the Brewster, but OOTP in general...wanted to get some opinions from you guys, as well as kick around some ideas. Keep in mind that the following is going to address pitching, but it could very well tie into offense, albeit less dramatically based on current OOTP capabilities.

So we know pitching coaches can have influence/development -- how much, we don't know -- based on their "Pitching Focus": Power Pitchers, Finesse Pitchers, Groundballers, and Neutral. We also know managers (or general managers, based on how much you can adjust specific sliders in team strategy) can affect frequency of "Pitch Around" and "Intentional Walk" and opener/follower usage.

With more and more data and analysis and reporting being done over the lat ten to twenty years, some teams and front offices have been known to have specific pitching philosophies. Case in point:

PHILOSOPHYTEAM(S)
Pitch to contactPre-2020 Twins, Pre-2020 Pirates (thanks to Ray Searage)
Pro sinker/GroundballersPirates, Rockies, Cardinals
Draft command, develop veloMariners
Four-seam over two-seamAstros, Cubs, Rays
Two-seam over four-seamD'Backs, Rockies
First-pitch strikeRick Peterson stressed this working for A's, Met's, Brewers and Orioles
Pitching backwards/More off-speedTwins, Yankees
Anti-intentional walkAstros
Those are just a few examples.

Anyways, what are your thoughts on OOTP allowing for the designation of a philosophy, either via front office (controlled by GM) and/or pitching coaching?

Of course, there are some inherent issues based on the game's current engine:
  • The game doesn't designate between two-seamers and four-seamers
  • For all I know, the game only factors pitches in and out of the strike zone, but not where (high/low, inside/outside) in or out of the zone
Also, this entire concept could be deemed moot given that more and more teams are moving away from a general philosophy and instead are focusing on improving each pitcher individually as to not try and fit a square peg into a round hole.

Anyways, I thought the concept of a organizational philosophy (not only in the majors but across all minor league teams) that could affect performance and/or pitcher ratings is a cool/fun idea. What say you?
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Re: OOTP Engine: Pitching Philosophies

Post by shoeless.db » Wed May 13, 2020 8:35 am

One concept I'd like to see implemented along these lines is for certain veterans (pitchers and catchers) and/or coaches to develop the ability to teach other players a certain pitch. It would add value to those old duffers on the last leg of their career, and, in a pure game theory idea, adds to the amount of choices players have: Do I bring up that young catcher who is far and away better than the old guy, or do I keep the old guy in case he drops his circle-change knowledge on my rookie pitching stud?

To your question, I think a general pitching philosophy (not visible to other teams) would add an element of control and flavor to the game. I'm 100% in on advancements that make my team even feel more line mine.

I'd also like the ability to have certain players "focus" on a certain trait or skill, thereby bumping the chances of that skill rising, possibly to the detriment of another skill.
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Re: OOTP Engine: Pitching Philosophies

Post by RonCo » Wed May 13, 2020 10:09 am

I like the concept of the concept, and there is a backdrop/structure in the game that Markus and Matt could use to implement something that kind of works that way without too much tear-up (managers and coaches already have some element of tendency, so this would extend that idea). Depending on what you get here, you might package it up and drop it on them as an idea for v22 at least. The impact of a guy like Roger Craig teaching the splitter everywhere, or relationships like Bobby Cox/Leo Mazzone, Tony LaRussa/Dave Duncan on the hitter side, could be interesting.

One note: I think the OOTP staff envisions the OOTP Fastball as a four-seamer, and an OOTP Sinker as a two-seam fastball.
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Re: OOTP Engine: Pitching Philosophies

Post by recte44 » Sun May 17, 2020 7:07 pm

2018-present Brewers: the high strike/"rising fastball"

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Re: OOTP Engine: Pitching Philosophies

Post by RonCo » Sun May 17, 2020 7:09 pm

Louisville Sluggers philosophy 2042: "bean all YS9 hitters."
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Re: OOTP Engine: Pitching Philosophies

Post by sjshaw » Sun May 17, 2020 8:36 pm

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Re: OOTP Engine: Pitching Philosophies

Post by sjshaw » Sun May 17, 2020 8:37 pm

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Re: OOTP Engine: Pitching Philosophies

Post by jiminyhopkins » Sun May 17, 2020 8:46 pm

shoeless.db wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 8:35 am
I'd also like the ability to have certain players "focus" on a certain trait or skill, thereby bumping the chances of that skill rising, possibly to the detriment of another skill.
FPS BBPro98 used to have Spring Training Allocations, where one could do exactly this.
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Re: OOTP Engine: Pitching Philosophies

Post by RonCo » Sun May 17, 2020 11:03 pm

OOTP used to do this, too.
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