The Brewster

Did I/we miss something? Why are a whole bunch of guys with three and four years of pro experience eligible for Rule 5?

i think i screwed something up by moving it to the new year. We're all on the same rules though

Yes. Looking at it, we've got guys who shouldn't be eligible until next year eligible now. Part of it is the dumbass way OOTP calculates pro years.

Sigh...

Sometimes I hate the insides of this game....

That still shouldn't make 3-year guys eligible, though. Something is weird.And while we are all on the same rules, this is a pretty significant impact on the flow of players through the league.

That is an issue and also several teams already have the 40 man full or close to full and have a few guys in the draft pool they might protect. In order to protect those guys they must be put on the 40 man with a corresponding move to remove someone on the 40 man. Because we have been simming more than 8 days for the waiver period nobody has the chance to claim them. Thus giving those teams a back door route to protect more than 40 guys.

Yeah. There's a balance to maintain, but to some earlier chatter, we really need to find a way to lay this out better.

We can fix the waiver issue this sim. The other issues can’t really do much at this point.

Yeah, like.. I'm all about using the "we're under the same rules" bit on certain things. But this is a pretty big one. Certain guys may have plans that are now blown to Hell and may be WAY more impacted by this.

My minor league players are very, very happy with this new BBA rule.

Even if we don't lose them now, this kicks on clocks that start using options and changes the entire flow of our plans. It is more significant than it might appear. Not "just" rule 5.

handaspencer wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:13 am

That is an issue and also several teams already have the 40 man full or close to full and have a few guys in the draft pool they might protect. In order to protect those guys they must be put on the 40 man with a corresponding move to remove someone on the 40 man. Because we have been simming more than 8 days for the waiver period nobody has the chance to claim them. Thus giving those teams a back door route to protect more than 40 guys.

I don’t follow. Every single player not on a 40 man that meets the requirements is eligible. Even if they are on waivers they can still be rule 5 drafted. If they squeak through waivers because of the waiver length issue sure no one can waiver claim them but they are still rule 5 eligible and not protected then. What am I missing?

Wait anyone who shouldn’t be eligible is going to be returned to their previous team if they’re drafted right? Or should I be protecting those players too?

crobillard wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:52 am

Wait anyone who shouldn’t be eligible is going to be returned to their previous team if they’re drafted right? Or should I be protecting those players too?

We’ve always gone with whoever the game says is eligible, is eligible so I’m sure half the league has been protecting guys that maybe didn’t need it if we had no snafu. Seems a bit late to suddenly say hands off now.

Yes, if they are on DFA they are still Rule 5 eligible. I wonder how the game handles drafted players if waiver claims are made, but that's neither here nor there, I suppose.

bschr682 wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:51 am

handaspencer wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:13 am

That is an issue and also several teams already have the 40 man full or close to full and have a few guys in the draft pool they might protect. In order to protect those guys they must be put on the 40 man with a corresponding move to remove someone on the 40 man. Because we have been simming more than 8 days for the waiver period nobody has the chance to claim them. Thus giving those teams a back door route to protect more than 40 guys.

I don’t follow. Every single player not on a 40 man that meets the requirements is eligible. Even if they are on waivers they can still be rule 5 drafted. If they squeak through waivers because of the waiver length issue sure no one can waiver claim them but they are still rule 5 eligible and not protected then. What am I missing?

If you have 39 guys on your 40 man today but you have 2 guys you want to put on the 40 man this sim you must waive someone to make room. If we sim 14 days but the waiver period is 8 days then the rest of the league can’t claim your 41st player thus giving you a back door route to protect 41 guys.

Moving it to January probably caused this issue for sure. Usually rule 5 is December

To be honest, I'm not sure what to do with my guys. For teams with big systems this is a pretty big issue. I've got upward of 15 guys of interest who I'll either lose or have their option clocks start early ... and more if I count bump candidates.

Teams like NO, CLG, and us (and a few others ... CCJ/MNT...) will be paying a pretty stiff price at the end of the day.

handaspencer wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:57 am

bschr682 wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:51 am

handaspencer wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:13 am

That is an issue and also several teams already have the 40 man full or close to full and have a few guys in the draft pool they might protect. In order to protect those guys they must be put on the 40 man with a corresponding move to remove someone on the 40 man. Because we have been simming more than 8 days for the waiver period nobody has the chance to claim them. Thus giving those teams a back door route to protect more than 40 guys.

I don’t follow. Every single player not on a 40 man that meets the requirements is eligible. Even if they are on waivers they can still be rule 5 drafted. If they squeak through waivers because of the waiver length issue sure no one can waiver claim them but they are still rule 5 eligible and not protected then. What am I missing?

If you have 39 guys on your 40 man today but you have 2 guys you want to put on the 40 man this sim you must waive someone to make room. If we sim 14 days but the waiver period is 8 days then the rest of the league can’t claim your 41st player thus giving you a back door route to protect 41 guys.

But those guys you waive are still rule5 eligible, so they are free of being claimed on waivers, they are not protected from Rule 5.

bschr682 wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:53 am

crobillard wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:52 am

Wait anyone who shouldn’t be eligible is going to be returned to their previous team if they’re drafted right? Or should I be protecting those players too?

We’ve always gone with whoever the game says is eligible, is eligible so I’m sure half the league has been protecting guys that maybe didn’t need it if we had no snafu. Seems a bit late to suddenly say hands off now.

Ah I see what you mean. I thought they were just showing available in the draft pool and not on our rosters. Luckily my farm system is terrible

RonCo wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:04 am

handaspencer wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:57 am

bschr682 wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:51 am

I don’t follow. Every single player not on a 40 man that meets the requirements is eligible. Even if they are on waivers they can still be rule 5 drafted. If they squeak through waivers because of the waiver length issue sure no one can waiver claim them but they are still rule 5 eligible and not protected then. What am I missing?

If you have 39 guys on your 40 man today but you have 2 guys you want to put on the 40 man this sim you must waive someone to make room. If we sim 14 days but the waiver period is 8 days then the rest of the league can’t claim your 41st player thus giving you a back door route to protect 41 guys.

But those guys you waive are still rule5 eligible, so they are free of being claimed on waivers, they are not protected from Rule 5.

For example let’s say I decided to waive Jim Antolin. As of this file he is not in the draft pool so nobody has the opportunity to put him in their draft list because he is not showing unprotected. I decide I like a couple people in the minors better and to make room I must waive Antolin. He technically would be rule 5 draft eligible once I waive him on Jan 25th only. Once Jan 26 hits rule 5 is over and he will be on waivers until Feb 2. If we sim until Feb 8 he immediately clears waivers and nobody ever knows he was actually on waivers and you have the opportunity to use waivers as a back door to protect extra guys. Waivers has not worked all offseason nobody is ever in there because we blow past the waiver period with these long sims.

Okay. I see that.

I agree on waivers thing, too.