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Gervasio Ridder Release Money?

Post by niles08 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:48 am

When I try to release Gervasio Ridder it says the remaining $56,000,000 will be spread out over 4 seasons.

His remaining contract looks like this:

2040--$16,000,000
2041--19,000,000 vesting option
2042--21,000,000 vesting option

Wouldn't he only be owed the $16,000,000 because obviously his 2041 and 2042 aren't going to vest if he isn't on the team?
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Re: Gervasio Ridder Release Money?

Post by bcslouck » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:50 am

You aren't giving him the option to vest so I'd assume that is why you owe him that money. And the 4 seasons part is probably just including 2039 since we are still technically in that season.
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Re: Gervasio Ridder Release Money?

Post by usnspecialist » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:00 am

bcslouck wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:50 am
You aren't giving him the option to vest so I'd assume that is why you owe him that money. And the 4 seasons part is probably just including 2039 since we are still technically in that season.
Im pretty sure this is it.
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Re: Gervasio Ridder Release Money?

Post by Rubaboo » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:31 am

Maybe try to waive him first and leave him unprotected in the expansion draft? (or get in touch with Wilson and give him something so he'll take him in expansion?)
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Re: Gervasio Ridder Release Money?

Post by niles08 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:47 am

bcslouck wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:50 am
You aren't giving him the option to vest so I'd assume that is why you owe him that money. And the 4 seasons part is probably just including 2039 since we are still technically in that season.
Well, that's kind of dumb. I don't think thats how real MLB contracts work is it? If you release someone, obviously they don't vest so the money is not guaranteed and so it goes away as well.
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Re: Gervasio Ridder Release Money?

Post by recte44 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:52 am

That's the downside to option years. If you release them early you have to buy them out.

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Re: Gervasio Ridder Release Money?

Post by bcslouck » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:47 am

niles08 wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:47 am
Well, that's kind of dumb. I don't think thats how real MLB contracts work is it? If you release someone, obviously they don't vest so the money is not guaranteed and so it goes away as well.
I don't think its dumb at all. The contract agreement says that if he made a certain amount of AB's, innings, etc, that his contract vests. Well if you don't give him the chance to do that, he should get paid.

Now I know you'll say he won't have a chance since he'll just ride the pine. But, being on the team is a chance.
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Re: Gervasio Ridder Release Money?

Post by RonCo » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:55 pm

bcslouck wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:47 am
niles08 wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:47 am
Well, that's kind of dumb. I don't think thats how real MLB contracts work is it? If you release someone, obviously they don't vest so the money is not guaranteed and so it goes away as well.
I don't think its dumb at all. The contract agreement says that if he made a certain amount of AB's, innings, etc, that his contract vests. Well if you don't give him the chance to do that, he should get paid.

Now I know you'll say he won't have a chance since he'll just ride the pine. But, being on the team is a chance.
I don't think it's dumb or not dumb, but I do believe that it's not how the concept works in the MLB. That said, there probably is no specific way this works in the MLB--contracts (I think) tend to have clauses around what happens when the contract terminates prior to those years, and I'd guess they are bounded only by individual's imaginations.

That said, I think OOTP is not particularly good at explaining how they process vesting situations.
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Re: Gervasio Ridder Release Money?

Post by jleddy » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:36 pm

RonCo wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:55 pm
I don't think it's dumb or not dumb, but I do believe that it's not how the concept works in the MLB. That said, there probably is no specific way this works in the MLB--contracts (I think) tend to have clauses around what happens when the contract terminates prior to those years, and I'd guess they are bounded only by individual's imaginations.
Definitely not how it works in the MLB. I think the whole "football contracts are not guaranteed but they are in other sports" helps lead to this confusion. And I can definitely think of a few times teams were happy to cut a player and get out from his vesting option! :)
RonCo wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:55 pm
That said, I think OOTP is not particularly good at explaining how they process vesting situations.
This times a bajillion.

I don't have a problem eating an option year after cutting a player because I know how OOTP works. If you weren't aware of this (and there tends to be several threads on the OOTP forum each year with frustrated users making the exact same argument as Niles), I can see being blind-sided and upset. It should either be in the manual (hahahahahaha) and a "heads up" footnote on both the contract page when negotiating with a player and on teams' salary page. It might be something we ought to add to the constitution under the Basic Finances and General Management Rules portion.
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