The Brewster

Is it the player salaries on the HTML?

Is it the payroll on stats plus?

Is it something else?

The reason I ask because it would seem there has to be a better way if it's the HTML. Because honestly, how often is it policed? Something could easily be missed if each individual team wasn't checked each sim.

If it's player salaries on the HTML...then California is over the cap and has been. Are bonus funds being taken? I know when I was over the cap, mine were deducted. I am not calling him out, I am more or less saying that if somebody didn't notice that maybe his bonus funds wouldn't have been taken so is there a better way?

Also, was there every a conclusion on how the board will act toward teams over the cap? Is it a hard cap or not? Will players be released to get under the cap or are bonus funds just taken?

Asking for a friend.

http://montybrewster.net/BBA/HTML/news/ ... eport.html

Payroll list on that page, everyone is under.

Way to come after me in hopes I'm cheating because I don't like your trade. Learn the rules.

As for to "not calling me out". Really? It's amazing how this shows up right as I'm criticizing your trade. And I'm the only team you mentioned.

How about this? I'm not calling you a liar. I'm just suggesting you stretch your interpretation of reality to push the narrative you like.

Ted wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:30 pm

Way to come after me in hopes I'm cheating because I don't like your trade. Learn the rules.

As for to "not calling me out". Really? It's amazing how this shows up right as I'm criticizing your trade. And I'm the only team you mentioned.

How about this? I'm not calling you a liar. I'm just suggesting you stretch your interpretation of reality to push the narrative you like.

As much as I would love to sit around and conspire against other GM's I noticed this yesterday when we were discussing a trade because I went to see how much cap room you had after I seen someone offer you a CF publicly so out of curiosity I checked your player salaries to see what the scoop was and see if I could send more your way when we were also discussing our trade.

usnspecialist wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:30 pm

http://montybrewster.net/BBA/HTML/news/ ... eport.html

Payroll list on that page, everyone is under.

Thank you.

Do you know where that number comes from or what it's made of? Why is it different than the one on player salaries?

Would also still like to hear if the board made a decision on if someone is over, if the constitution is followed or if the constitution is being changed for future seasons.

niles08 wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:36 pm

Ted wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:30 pm

Way to come after me in hopes I'm cheating because I don't like your trade. Learn the rules.

As for to "not calling me out". Really? It's amazing how this shows up right as I'm criticizing your trade. And I'm the only team you mentioned.

How about this? I'm not calling you a liar. I'm just suggesting you stretch your interpretation of reality to push the narrative you like.

As much as I would love to sit around and conspire against other GM's I noticed this yesterday when we were discussing a trade because I went to see how much cap room you had after I seen someone offer you a CF publicly so out of curiosity I checked your player salaries to see what the scoop was and see if I could send more your way when we were also discussing our trade.

Ah, but you waited until today after we had decided not to make a deal, and after I was critical of you to ask. How very helpful. Thank you.

niles08 wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:38 pm

Do you know where that number comes from or what it's made of? Why is it different than the one on player salaries?

Players in the minors but on league minimum don't make that full salary. I think they have a * by their number. I think you can be over on that page but not be on what you've paid out based on what players are owed. Not sure. I just try to keep the salary page number under $110M just to make my life easier.

Team Salary HTML wrote:*=players in minors on league minimum deals are only paid 16.5% of their salary while in the minors

It says that but it looks like it's the players with a (*) before the salary.

niles08 wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:38 pm

usnspecialist wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:30 pm

http://montybrewster.net/BBA/HTML/news/ ... eport.html

Payroll list on that page, everyone is under.

Thank you.

Do you know where that number comes from or what it's made of? Why is it different than the one on player salaries?

Would also still like to hear if the board made a decision on if someone is over, if the constitution is followed or if the constitution is being changed for future seasons.

The constitution is "right" and the $110M is a hard cap. There are two rules in it that are currently separated in different places--one says there's a fine, and the other says the GM is responsible for staying under and that the commish has the right to forceably change your roster if you do not. While I admit I wish it were different (because I think it's a more interesting rule with just the fine), technically the rules are easy to see as a hard salary cap. Thanks again to Kyle for sticking to his guns there.

The payroll report includes only players who are currently on your active roster (or guys who are on major league contracts on the DL/rehab assignments). The number on your "salaries" page includes all the dollars being given to minor league players on the 40-man roster who have been optioned out. Those players do not count toward the salary cap.

To be transparent, I've been tracking teams who are over the salary cap in a Governing Board thread. I'm expecting that fines will be applied at the end of the season.

Excellent thanks!

Ted wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:58 pm

niles08 wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:36 pm

Ted wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:30 pm

Way to come after me in hopes I'm cheating because I don't like your trade. Learn the rules.

As for to "not calling me out". Really? It's amazing how this shows up right as I'm criticizing your trade. And I'm the only team you mentioned.

How about this? I'm not calling you a liar. I'm just suggesting you stretch your interpretation of reality to push the narrative you like.

As much as I would love to sit around and conspire against other GM's I noticed this yesterday when we were discussing a trade because I went to see how much cap room you had after I seen someone offer you a CF publicly so out of curiosity I checked your player salaries to see what the scoop was and see if I could send more your way when we were also discussing our trade.

Ah, but you waited until today after we had decided not to make a deal, and after I was critical of you to ask. How very helpful. Thank you.

You actually didn't decline my trade, but instead filled it with another player which good for you. If I remember right, you were actually looking at my minors for the player I was still interested in.

The (*) are players in the minors on options. They get paid 16.7% of $500K, but are not included in salary cap calculations.

Thanks guys! That truly is helpful.

I wish OOTP actually reported our stuff like we had a salary cap rather than just rely on us to know what these differences were.

I think California is cheating.

And Rockville. and Yellow Springs. And everyone else with a better record than me.

It's the only logical reason I can come up with.

RonCo wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:02 pm

The payroll report includes only players who are currently on your active roster (or guys who are on major league contracts on the DL/rehab assignments).

So if I have a player with a big salary that isn't performing, I can demote him to the minors and he won't count against my cap anymore?

agrudez wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:17 pm

RonCo wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:02 pm

The payroll report includes only players who are currently on your active roster (or guys who are on major league contracts on the DL/rehab assignments).

So if I have a player with a big salary that isn't performing, I can demote him to the minors and he won't count against my cap anymore?

I was going to ask the same. I assume he means league minimum players though.

agrudez wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:17 pm

RonCo wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:02 pm

The payroll report includes only players who are currently on your active roster (or guys who are on major league contracts on the DL/rehab assignments).

So if I have a player with a big salary that isn't performing, I can demote him to the minors and he won't count against my cap anymore?

It's only guys on min contracts. So guys on your 40 man who are making the minimum but are in AAA. When this came up in the past, I've argued we should use the higher number, and count the full 500k as cap hits. But there wasn't a good one stop shop for all those numbers at the time, and we've always used the active salaries list in the past.

agrudez wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:17 pm

RonCo wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:02 pm

The payroll report includes only players who are currently on your active roster (or guys who are on major league contracts on the DL/rehab assignments).

So if I have a player with a big salary that isn't performing, I can demote him to the minors and he won't count against my cap anymore?

My bad. I think.

I believe players who are on major league contracts (rather than min-sal pre-arb contracts) remain counted toward the cap. I suppose I could be wrong, though...

Ted wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:19 pm

When this came up in the past, I've argued we should use the higher number, and count the full 500k as cap hits.

That's how we used to do it. I just opened each team's salary page individually on the HTML Reports to check. Granted it takes upwards of 5 minutes to do it that way so I understand the fervent desire for a reprieve.

RonCo wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:20 pm

I believe players who are on major league contracts (rather than min-sal pre-arb contracts) remain counted toward the cap. I suppose I could be wrong, though...

I hope that's right - big oversight if not, imo.