2026, Awards Voting Chatter

[recte44]

MANDATORY VOTE FOR ALL MBBA GM's, due by LMS.

http://montybrewster.net/cgi-bin/ootpou.pl?page=awards

[ae37jr]

This is my write in vote for Enrique Salazar as Johnson League Joe Gillstrom Newcomer of the Year. .297/.375/.618 with 28 HR and 64 RBI and he isn't even on the ballot. If he went 0 for the 150 plate appearances he needed to qualify, he'd still have better stats then half those chumps on the list. Crown the man!

[7teen]

This is my write in vote for Enrique Salazar as Johnson League Joe Gillstrom Newcomer of the Year. .297/.375/.618 with 28 HR and 64 RBI and he isn't even on the ballot. If he went 0 for the 150 plate appearances he needed to qualify, he'd still have better stats then half those chumps on the list. Crown the man!

I thought Jiminez would have to beat Salazar for the Gillstrom Award. Not Ronayne. Clearly I don't understand WAR. I don't see a statistical reason why Jiminez isn't clearly better than Ronayne but yet WAR will reign supreme.

[aaronweiner]

Not even a mention of JL batting champion Dusty Rhodes, Chris?

[Cliche]

I hear he's just a common man.

[udlb58]

This is my write in vote for Enrique Salazar as Johnson League Joe Gillstrom Newcomer of the Year. .297/.375/.618 with 28 HR and 64 RBI and he isn't even on the ballot. If he went 0 for the 150 plate appearances he needed to qualify, he'd still have better stats then half those chumps on the list. Crown the man!

I thought Jiminez would have to beat Salazar for the Gillstrom Award. Not Ronayne. Clearly I don't understand WAR. I don't see a statistical reason why Jiminez isn't clearly better than Ronayne but yet WAR will reign supreme.

All about position scarcity there. Jiminez was a 128 OPS+ LF/RF/DH, Ronayne was a 118 OPS+ catcher. I still don't think Ronayne has much of a shot at the Gillstrom, but he's been a damn good Rule 5 pick-up.

[Ted]

Ricardo Diaz. Just sayin'. 3rd in ERA at 2.38 (first Gomez 2.26), 4th in wins with 18 but only lost one game after May 29th, 1st in starts, innings, hits per 9, oavg, k's, k's/9, WHIP, FIP, WAR, 3rd in k/bb. His only real competition is again Enrique Gomez, who beats him in era, wins, and homer's per nine. Don't vote Gomez just because Diaz already has three (but if you think Gomez was better, by all means vote for him. You're wrong, but whatever). Ricardo's a beast. He's the best in the JL. Again. He deserves Nebraska number 4.

[7teen]

Not even a mention of JL batting champion Dusty Rhodes, Chris?

I hadn't realized he won the batting title until last night when I downloaded the file. I have a feeling Madison is going to get shutout of the Gillstrom though despite having the batting champ as a rookie, and the only rookie to hit 30+ homeruns and drive in 100+ RBI.

[udlb58]

Ricardo Diaz. Just sayin'. 3rd in ERA at 2.38 (first Gomez 2.26), 4th in wins with 18 but only lost one game after May 29th, 1st in starts, innings, hits per 9, oavg, k's, k's/9, WHIP, FIP, WAR, 3rd in k/bb. His only real competition is again Enrique Gomez, who beats him in era, wins, and homer's per nine. Don't vote Gomez just because Diaz already has three (but if you think Gomez was better, by all means vote for him. You're wrong, but whatever). Ricardo's a beast. He's the best in the JL. Again. He deserves Nebraska number 4.

It is kind of interesting. Despite being mainly baseball nerds who play OOTP, in every league I've ever been in the awards voting always seems to slant towards traditional stats. Gomez running away with the voting right now and the only areas he tops Diaz are Wins, ERA, and HR allowed (doubt anyone really looking at that one). Gomez had a phenomenal season and isn't exactly a poor choice, but the statement made by the voting so far is W/ERA >> any rate stat/adjusted stat

Maybe it's just because it is far easier to check a few categories and make a quick choice than to really delve into the rate stats and such?

[agrudez]

Diaz has 3 1st place votes yet trails Maeda whom has 0. That means people are either consistently voting Diaz #3/4 (dumb) or a handful of people left him off all together (Trump-esque). Is it just malaise from him winning so often that you purposefully are trying to keep him from winning it again when he obviously deserves it? Today is a dark day.

[udlb58]

Diaz has 3 1st place votes yet trails Maeda whom has 0. That means people are either consistently voting Diaz #3/4 (dumb) or a handful of people left him off all together (Trump-esque). Is it just malaise from him winning so often that you purposefully are trying to keep him from winning it again when he obviously deserves it? Today is a dark day.

Gomez: 22 wins, 2.26 ERA
Maeda: 20 wins, 2.37 ERA
Diaz: 18 Wins, 2.38 ERA
Olivarez: 18 wins, 3.27 ERA
Lewis: 19 wins, 3.07 ERA
Tonche: 15 wins, 3.01 ERA

N. Ramirez: 20 wins, 2.54 ERA
Lopez: 20 wins, 3.19 ERA
Boone: 15 wins, 2.88 ERA
Chapel: 16 wins, 2.94 ERA
Orneales: 13 wins, 3.46 ERA
M. Ramirez: 15 wins, 2.88 ERA

I'd say it's pretty clear what stats most of those who have voted so far have used. Outside of Lewis and M. Ramirez being a spot lower than you'd expect, it's pretty much straight wins unless the ERA is very high/low

[agrudez]

it's pretty much straight wins

I'll stand by my statements (dumb/Trump-esque), then.

[trmmilwwi]

Jared winning the Joe Gillstrom award... so awesome! Also a Mingo Boone sighting... I love that dude!!

[bschr682]

I haven't looked yet but if its pretty close im giving the edge to Gomez. He plays in a much, much tougher division and not the pitchers paradise that Diaz does. That matters to me. That said if I feel Diaz was actually better I would definitely vote for him no matter how many times he has won it.

[udlb58]

I haven't looked yet but if its pretty close im giving the edge to Gomez. He plays in a much, much tougher division and not the pitchers paradise that Diaz does. That matters to me. That said if I feel Diaz was actually better I would definitely vote for him no matter how many times he has won it.

It isn't really that close. Diaz is actually tied with Maeda for 2nd after trailing him by a number of votes earlier in the day. I think Diaz has gotten a 1st place vote or two since my post earlier, but he still hasn't passed Maeda.

[Ted]

I haven't looked yet but if its pretty close im giving the edge to Gomez. He plays in a much, much tougher division and not the pitchers paradise that Diaz does. That matters to me. That said if I feel Diaz was actually better I would definitely vote for him no matter how many times he has won it.

Diaz's unhittableness is largely due to his strikeout rate, rather than park effect. He also pitches a lot more innings than Gomez. Those are the tiebreakers for me.

I get the division argument a bit, but I don't think it's that big of a difference.

[trmmilwwi]

I voted Diaz #1. He is a stud.

[udlb58]

How the hell does Stevie Wolarski have 2 first place votes for FL Reliever of the Year?

[cheekimonk]

Maybe it's just because it is far easier to check a few categories and make a quick choice than to really delve into the rate stats and such?

Downside of using a utility like OOTPOU or StatsLab. Everyone should be looking at the stats leaderboards in OOTP to balance every factor, but it's hard to justify the time when some numbers are right there in the tool (I don't look at the leaderboards even though I know I should). The way it is we have a sprinkling of traditional stats (no HA, SV%, BB, OBP, 2B, 3B, etc.) and sabers (just WPA & WAR). It essentially forces you to put all of your faith in one or the other since there's no broader context to sort out discrepancies ("why does this guy have such a low AVG but high WAR...defensive wiz?).

[cheekimonk]

How the hell does Stevie Wolarski have 2 first place votes for FL Reliever of the Year?

K/9 maybe? Or combo of that and WAR? I voted Waller (because, of course).