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Extension Question

Post by bcslouck » Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:39 am

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One concrete contract rule strictly enforced is that any player with less than 5 years of ML service time will not be allowed to sign a contract extension of longer than 3 seasons. Additionally, any player with less than 5 years of ML service time may not be tendered an extension of longer than 3 seasons.
What if the player is in his 4th year but has his 5th year salary locked in? So an extension would cover his 6th year and beyond.
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Re: Extension Question

Post by jiminyhopkins » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:08 pm

Excellent question. :popcorn:
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Re: Extension Question

Post by RonCo » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:24 pm

I'm not sure, but I've always just waited until the service years hit 5.
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Re: Extension Question

Post by aaronweiner » Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:55 pm

No, that's a letter of the law question. 5 years period.

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Post by RonCo » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:00 pm

For example, Lucas McNeilll hit 5.0 years of service in mid-season, I think I signed his extention two weeks later.
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Re: Extension Question

Post by aaronweiner » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:02 pm

And that was totally fine.

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Re: Extension Question

Post by usnspecialist » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:03 pm

RonCo wrote:For example, Lucas McNeilll hit 5.0 years of service in mid-season, I think I signed his extention two weeks later.
i have a few guys that will probably have that same situation in a few years.
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Re: Extension Question

Post by Ted » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:38 pm

If you don't wait until 5 actual years service time, you'd be circumventing the point of the rule. (Which is that OOTP often lets you sign young players to sweatheart deals.)
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Re: Extension Question

Post by RonCo » Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:16 pm

True.
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Re: Extension Question

Post by bcslouck » Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:28 pm

Ted wrote:If you don't wait until 5 actual years service time, you'd be circumventing the point of the rule. (Which is that OOTP often lets you sign young players to sweatheart deals.)
I've never gotten these sweetheart deals in other leagues. I get the rule. I get the reasoning, I guess. But the deals I've always made and feel like the player asked for were pretty fair given the arbitration years I'm buying out plus free agent years I'm buying out.
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Re: Extension Question

Post by RonCo » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:42 pm

I think once you get to the arbitration time, the engine is reasonable. But you see leagues where star quality kids are signing 8-10 year deals for 50-60% discounts, sometimes before they ever play a major league game. It can be a huge hole.
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Re: Extension Question

Post by bcslouck » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:22 pm

RonCo wrote:I think once you get to the arbitration time, the engine is reasonable. But you see leagues where star quality kids are signing 8-10 year deals for 50-60% discounts, sometimes before they ever play a major league game. It can be a huge hole.
Yeah, I get that. I think that's why the 6 year contract limit fixes that. Probably not allowing extensions pre-arbitration would make it better.
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Re: Extension Question

Post by RonCo » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:26 pm

The more I look at what other leagues do, the more I come to the conclusion that the BBA's basic setup is about optimal for maintaining a competitive balance. You can make arguments on the fringe, but really a salary cap, with a cash max that's held off-books as far as OOTP is concerned, combined with strict limits on contracts to younger players is a box that's tight enough to make you have to think and plan, and loose enough that you can actually maintain a solid team for a long time with a little luck here and there.

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Re: Extension Question

Post by bcslouck » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:59 pm

I agree. I'm not advocating for any change. I've been in leagues that let finances run wild and league were they were super strict. One was built on profitability and if you weren't profitable, you have to give up a player to get in the black or your picks. That one was real interesting. So I like doing different things.
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Re: Extension Question

Post by RonCo » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:08 pm

It was a good question.
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