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Age Maximums

Post by udlb58 » Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:52 am

Would it be possible to implement some age maximums in the minors (outside of AAA)? Not sure if it is because of auto-managing the minors or what, but there are a number of guys in their 30s (even upper 30s) who are kicking around single- and double-A; and players in their late-20s on Rookie-ball rosters. That just doesn't seem realistic. Not only do they mess up the stats (and possibly morale of younger players), but they clog up the roster spots for guys who might actually bump once in a while. If a guy is 28+ and can't crack the AA roster, or 30+ and can't crack AAA, is he really worth having in your organization (or in the league at all)? Don't we want these types of players being forced out of the game to make room for the younger players?

Frustrating when teams of AAA-age players are dominating in R/A/AA.
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Re: Age Maximums

Post by allenr » Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:54 am

Leave my 32 year old MR in rookie ball alone.
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Re: Age Maximums

Post by recte44 » Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:57 am

It's a real pain in the ass- it releases players when they reach the age maximum.

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Re: Age Maximums

Post by Ted » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:08 am

recte44 wrote:It's a real pain in the ass- it releases players when they reach the age maximum.
As someone who is tired as can be of having my A ball team destroyed by 28 year olds, I have no problem with this. There are literally 30-40 guys in FA who are marginal prospects that would be a better use of people's minor rosters spots than the 28+ year olds who are killing my A and rookie ball guys. You don't even have to do it for AA or AAA or WL.

It might not really change much though, as some people just seem determined to have pitchers with 6/6/7 ratings and 5/6/6/4/6 batters in A ball and rookie league. I just don't get it.
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Re: Age Maximums

Post by udlb58 » Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:07 am

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recte44 wrote:It's a real pain in the ass- it releases players when they reach the age maximum.
As someone who is tired as can be of having my A ball team destroyed by 28 year olds, I have no problem with this. There are literally 30-40 guys in FA who are marginal prospects that would be a better use of people's minor rosters spots than the 28+ year olds who are killing my A and rookie ball guys. You don't even have to do it for AA or AAA or WL.

It might not really change much though, as some people just seem determined to have pitchers with 6/6/7 ratings and 5/6/6/4/6 batters in A ball and rookie league. I just don't get it.
Some of the higher ratings in lower levels has to do with more developed teenagers coming through the draft; like Scott Davis this year or Eddie Jordan two years ago. They enter the pro ranks too good for Rookie, but only teenagers. So I don't really have any quarrels with where they are placed. But is anyone going to miss Juan Ontiveros or José Díaz?

I'm fine with something like: Rookie - 26 age max; Single-A - 29 age max; AA/AAA unlimited
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Re: Age Maximums

Post by Ted » Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:15 am

udlb58 wrote:
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recte44 wrote:It's a real pain in the ass- it releases players when they reach the age maximum.
As someone who is tired as can be of having my A ball team destroyed by 28 year olds, I have no problem with this. There are literally 30-40 guys in FA who are marginal prospects that would be a better use of people's minor rosters spots than the 28+ year olds who are killing my A and rookie ball guys. You don't even have to do it for AA or AAA or WL.

It might not really change much though, as some people just seem determined to have pitchers with 6/6/7 ratings and 5/6/6/4/6 batters in A ball and rookie league. I just don't get it.
Some of the higher ratings in lower levels has to do with more developed teenagers coming through the draft; like Scott Davis this year or Eddie Jordan two years ago. They enter the pro ranks too good for Rookie, but only teenagers. So I don't really have any quarrels with where they are placed. But is anyone going to miss Juan Ontiveros or José Díaz?

I'm fine with something like: Rookie - 26 age max; Single-A - 29 age max; AA/AAA unlimited
I get the teenagers being a bit lower than their ratings would indicate, or actual rookies, but if a guy has pro experience and is 20+ and has AAA ratings, for jeebus's sake at least put him in AA.
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Re: Age Maximums

Post by bigmike13 » Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:22 am

I have a mlb chart from 2012 that i will post when i get home but it gives the following ages as the average per level
AAA = 28.2
AA = 23.8
A = 21.2
R = 19.4



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Re: Age Maximums

Post by allenr » Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:13 pm

My dude just wants a rookie player of the year award ok. He's 32 with no prospects, and he just wants to be loved.

edit: for clarity sake, I'm pretty sure this is satire, in that I don't think I have a 32 year old in rookie ball but I'll check tonight lol. If I do, he was obviously contracted to give leadership seminars.
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Re: Age Maximums

Post by Bumstead » Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:36 pm

I'm opposed.

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Re: Age Maximums

Post by Fat Nige » Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:00 pm

I'm not opposed


I try to keep my farm in order, every youngster needs as many AB's / IP as he can get
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Re: Age Maximums

Post by Bumstead » Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:03 pm

Bobby_Manc wrote:I'm not opposed


I try to keep my farm in order, every youngster needs as many AB's / IP as he can get
Some would say that other than for defensive purposes, every youngster just needs to be placed at the right level. Some would say he never has to set foot on the OOTP field to develop. Keeping a farm system in "order" and age requirements are different issues IMO.

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Re: Age Maximums

Post by recte44 » Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:49 pm

I'm the one who has to deal with the consequences, and I'm not willing to do so. If we want to institute a "gentleman's agreement" and someone can monitor it every sim, then I'm all for it.

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Re: Age Maximums

Post by udlb58 » Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:49 pm

recte44 wrote:I'm the one who has to deal with the consequences, and I'm not willing to do so. If we want to institute a "gentleman's agreement" and someone can monitor it every sim, then I'm all for it.
What consequences, other than pointing at the constitution if someone complains about a player being cut? We aren't talking about actual prospects, the game won't put over-age players at these levels itself if there are age limits. Or am I wrong and the game would put over-age players down there when auto-assign minors is clicked, or players are signed? If there is a player of consequence who's cut by the game, what were they doing in R/A in the first place?

We could have a gentleman's agreement, but isn't that pretty much what we have now? I mean, what exactly is the point of stocking the low minors (Rookie/A-ball) with 30+ year old players, some of which have BBA service time? Some of these guys are actually talented enough to hold their own in AAA (or even make a bad BBA roster), but they are crushing the low minors instead. Some of them really should just be released.
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Re: Age Maximums

Post by Ted » Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:58 pm

Also, I'd volunteer to monitor an gentleman's agreement we came up with, or do whatever sort of slavish work is needed to enforce it. This stuff really drives me nuts, so I can do the work needed if we can agree on anything.
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Re: Age Maximums

Post by udlb58 » Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:59 pm

allenr wrote:My dude just wants a rookie player of the year award ok. He's 32 with no prospects, and he just wants to be loved.

edit: for clarity sake, I'm pretty sure this is satire, in that I don't think I have a 32 year old in rookie ball but I'll check tonight lol. If I do, he was obviously contracted to give leadership seminars.
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Pedro Tapia, 35
Juan Ontiveros, 30

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Dillon Bell, 37
Alejandro Ramos, 36
Danny Horrocks, 34
Tom Young, 33
Hector Soto, 31
Stan Davson, 30
Jesús Santos, 30


Your club isn't the only culprit, there are plenty of others with players who are well over the typical age for a certain level.
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Re: Age Maximums

Post by udlb58 » Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:16 pm

Bumstead wrote:
Bobby_Manc wrote:I'm not opposed


I try to keep my farm in order, every youngster needs as many AB's / IP as he can get
Some would say that other than for defensive purposes, every youngster just needs to be placed at the right level. Some would say he never has to set foot on the OOTP field to develop. Keeping a farm system in "order" and age requirements are different issues IMO.
Yes and no. Sure, you usually want to put a player at the appropriate level based on his ratings, but on the other hand exactly what is the point of keeping a 30+ year old who can't hack it above Single-A? What purpose does he serve?
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Re: Age Maximums

Post by allenr » Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:23 pm

Lol 36 and 37. Oops.
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Re: Age Maximums

Post by Bumstead » Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:30 pm

I'm not sure why you care as long as I meet the minor league limits which are forced every sim? If I want a 35 year old 1B at AAA as insurance, I don't see the issue. If I have a prospect that needs to be at AAA, what difference does it make if I move the 35 year old to AA or lower? He's still just one of my players I choose to have in my organization. Heck, if I have 30 year old players in my minors that just allows y'all to hoard another lottery ticket prospect. I don't get the issue, but I don't even know if I'm affected. I have some bad contracts at AAA but I doubt I have much in the way of oldsters below that as I pretty much let them all go in the offseason.

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Re: Age Maximums

Post by Bumstead » Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:32 pm

udlb58 wrote:
Bumstead wrote:
Bobby_Manc wrote:I'm not opposed


I try to keep my farm in order, every youngster needs as many AB's / IP as he can get
Some would say that other than for defensive purposes, every youngster just needs to be placed at the right level. Some would say he never has to set foot on the OOTP field to develop. Keeping a farm system in "order" and age requirements are different issues IMO.
Yes and no. Sure, you usually want to put a player at the appropriate level based on his ratings, but on the other hand exactly what is the point of keeping a 30+ year old who can't hack it above Single-A? What purpose does he serve?
He fills a roster spot that I have open. Aren't I in charge of my organization? Don't I have roster limits? Why do you care if I clog a roster spot with non-performing 37 year old? Isn't that to your advantage?

Isn't Tim Tebow at A ball or lower? What level did the "great" Michael Jordan play at. Razor Shines anyone?

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Re: Age Maximums

Post by udlb58 » Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:40 pm

Bumstead wrote:I'm not sure why you care as long as I meet the minor league limits which are forced every sim? If I want a 35 year old 1B at AAA as insurance, I don't see the issue. If I have a prospect that needs to be at AAA, what difference does it make if I move the 35 year old to AA or lower? He's still just one of my players I choose to have in my organization. Heck, if I have 30 year old players in my minors that just allows y'all to hoard another lottery ticket prospect. I don't get the issue, but I don't even know if I'm affected. I have some bad contracts at AAA but I doubt I have much in the way of oldsters below that as I pretty much let them all go in the offseason.
You aren't affected, not even close. Everyone in your org in AA down would fit under the age limit for Rookie that I suggested. We aren't complaining about ages of AAA/AA guys. The problem isn't really even age, it's being able to play your 1st/2nd year professionals in, you know, Rookie-League. But you can't put that 3 contact teenager in Rookie ball because it's stocked full of AA/AAA quality pitchers who will eat him alive. Cutting out players in their upper 20s and above from Rookie-League would (hopefully) help reduce the overall talent in the league and help younger guys actually play.
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