2039-2040 Offseason Compensation Thresholds
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2039-2040 Offseason Compensation Thresholds
Type A Batters: 3.2 WAR
Type B Batters: 1.7 WAR
Type A Starting Pitchers: 4.2 WAR
Type B Starting Pitchers: 3.0 WAR
Compensation for Relievers (S2 only for now): 1.0 WAR
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Type A Starting Pitchers: 4.2 WAR
Type B Starting Pitchers: 3.0 WAR
Compensation for Relievers (S2 only for now): 1.0 WAR
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Re: 2039-2040 Offseason Compensation Thresholds
Taking a quick spin through last year's stats, and doing my best to look at which players qualify...here's what I get for FA with compensation:
(Feel free to note errors!)
No Compensation:
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Type | POS | Name | TM | Age | WAR B | WAR P | SIGNED BY |
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A | SP | Abe Colbert, Jr. | WIC | 33 | 0 | 4.7 | LV |
A | 2B | Jared Gillstrom | NO | 35 | 4.9 | 0 | SFB |
A | C | Shag Hopkins | LOU | 33 | 4.9 | 0 | ATC |
A | SS | Mark Wareham | TWC | 31 | 4.6 | 0 | CCJ |
A | C | António Tobías | SA | 32 | 3.5 | 0 | NO |
A | CF | Willard Gagne | NO | 28 | 3.4 | 0 | MAD |
A | 1B | Mark Simpson | LBC | 30 | 3.3 | 0 | CHI |
B | SP | Mauro Flores | LV | 33 | 0 | 3.6 | EDM |
B | SP | Maxime Manceau | PHX | 29 | 0 | 3.6 | CCJ |
B | LF | Alfredo Salazar | BOI | 38 | 3.0 | 0 | MAD |
B | 2B | Carlos García | BRK | 33 | 2.6 | 0 | LOU |
B | 1B | Albert Gaona | TWC | 31 | 2.6 | 0 | CHA |
B | 2B | Luis Soto | EDM | 36 | 2.1 | 0 | MNT |
B | SS | Lloyd Braun | ATC | 33 | 2 | 0 | TWC |
B | C | Luis Barrera | CCJ | 31 | 1.8 | 0 | NO |
B | RP | Esteban Sánchez | WIC | 30 | 0 | 2.5 | TWC |
B | RP | Jose Souza | SEA | 31 | 0 | 1.7 | ATC |
B | RP | Dan West | WIC | 27 | 0 | 1.4 | VAN |
B | RP | George Galetto | TWC | 27 | 0 | 1.3 | WIC |
B | RP | Doug Clément | LOU | 32 | 0 | 1.3 | WIC |
B | RP | Sean Spits | SEA | 27 | 0 | 1 | CHA |
Type | POS | Name | TM | Age | WAR B | WAR P | SIGNED BY |
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B | C | Paco Díaz | JAX | 29 | 2.9 | 0 | JAX - No Comp |
B | RF | Carlos Gonzáles | LBC | 35 | 2.2 | 0 | NO - TO, No Comp |
B | C | Don Logan | WIC | 33 | 1.8 | 0 | Did Not Sign - No Comp |
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Re: 2039-2040 Offseason Compensation Thresholds
gillstrom technically signed after opening day, so I dont think he is eligible for a pick.
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Re: 2039-2040 Offseason Compensation Thresholds
That made him ineligible for you, right? Not sure if that matters for Jim.usnspecialist wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:40 amgillstrom technically signed after opening day, so I dont think he is eligible for a pick.
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Re: 2039-2040 Offseason Compensation Thresholds
I think Randy is right, though I admit I'm not sure. I've removed him from the list for now, but the Governing Board should discuss whether he should be added back.bcslouck wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:55 amThat made him ineligible for you, right? Not sure if that matters for Jim.usnspecialist wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:40 amgillstrom technically signed after opening day, so I dont think he is eligible for a pick.
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Re: 2039-2040 Offseason Compensation Thresholds
I don't really get why when a player signs would impact 2 different years of compensation.
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Re: 2039-2040 Offseason Compensation Thresholds
Hmm, I would think Brandon is right. A player's WAR total should affect their next off-season compensation, regardless of when the player was signed...signing later just makes it harder to accumulate the WAR.
@RonCo Alfredo Salazar put up 3.0 WAR, so I believe he should be eligible for a Type B pick for Boise, despite his 2040 option not vesting (per Constitution).
@RonCo Alfredo Salazar put up 3.0 WAR, so I believe he should be eligible for a Type B pick for Boise, despite his 2040 option not vesting (per Constitution).
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Re: 2039-2040 Offseason Compensation Thresholds
I can see it both ways. I really haven't dug into this too deeply until the last year or two, and the constitution isn't actually as structured as it should be. I think the intent, though, was to limit compensation to players who were with a team for the entire season. For example, though the constitution isn't precisely clear, we don't provide comp picks for guys traded in mid-year, regardless of how many WAR they created for one team or another. (see: Rhodes, Dusty, who gathered 3.9 WAR for SFB in a partial season).
Regardless, I'll get it confirmed, and if we need to adjust the constitution to fit what our practice is/has been, we'll do so.
Yes, Salazar should be on there. Will Include.
Regardless, I'll get it confirmed, and if we need to adjust the constitution to fit what our practice is/has been, we'll do so.
Yes, Salazar should be on there. Will Include.
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Re: 2039-2040 Offseason Compensation Thresholds
Seeing Wichita with the most potential compensation picks to gain with four (including two for relievers), maybe there is something to be said about that Genius moniker...
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Re: 2039-2040 Offseason Compensation Thresholds
This is my seasonal gripe about the amount of compensation picks. I loathe it immensely. If I were comprised of an analytic soul, I'd compose an essay detailing these picks' unbalanced nature towards competitiveness and fair play with the inclusion of graphs, spreadsheets, and some wit. Instead, I will whine to the wind and scurry back to the immature insights of Sai and Aarav.
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Re: 2039-2040 Offseason Compensation Thresholds
I can't seem to find where in the Constitution it states a player must sign before opening day to qualify for a comp pick the next winter. Either qoute rule or it's just #fakenews.
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Re: 2039-2040 Offseason Compensation Thresholds
I was using the same principle that prohibits midseason trades from being ineligible regardless of how much they earn at each stops (as Rhodes did for me).
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Re: 2039-2040 Offseason Compensation Thresholds
As if the Governing Board didn't already know who left the "compensation picks = wonky" note in the suggestion box, which smelled of both curry and Drakkar Noir...shoeless.db wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:48 amThis is my seasonal gripe about the amount of compensation picks. I loathe it immensely. If I were comprised of an analytic soul, I'd compose an essay detailing these picks' unbalanced nature towards competitiveness and fair play with the inclusion of graphs, spreadsheets, and some wit. Instead, I will whine to the wind and scurry back to the immature insights of Sai and Aarav.
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Re: 2039-2040 Offseason Compensation Thresholds
Trades are way different than signing a guy though. Especially this situation. It's not like you dropped him after Opening Day and then Jim picked him up. It doesn't really make sense to have a player lose compensation for 2 seasons because of 1 transaction.
The Opening Day thing has been said somewhere and was enforced when Randy lost him last year. Jim signed him right after Opening Day. That conversation is probably on last years compensation list. It sucked but made sense given you need a cutoff for that. But I don't think this needs one.
The Opening Day thing has been said somewhere and was enforced when Randy lost him last year. Jim signed him right after Opening Day. That conversation is probably on last years compensation list. It sucked but made sense given you need a cutoff for that. But I don't think this needs one.
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Re: 2039-2040 Offseason Compensation Thresholds
I bet if we did the research, there has probably been dozens of players signed after opening day who received comp picks. This is not a real rule. Just lobbying for a rule change. Put him back on the list.
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Re: 2039-2040 Offseason Compensation Thresholds
It’s a shame that instead your soul seems to be comprised of making lame unbelievable excuses for missing podcasts.shoeless.db wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:48 amThis is my seasonal gripe about the amount of compensation picks. I loathe it immensely. If I were comprised of an analytic soul, I'd compose an essay detailing these picks' unbalanced nature towards competitiveness and fair play with the inclusion of graphs, spreadsheets, and some wit. Instead, I will whine to the wind and scurry back to the immature insights of Sai and Aarav.
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Re: 2039-2040 Offseason Compensation Thresholds
Just to clarify, is there any penalty for signing a compensation-eligible free agent?
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No.ThePreyingManta wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:44 pmJust to clarify, is there any penalty for signing a compensation-eligible free agent?
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Re: 2039-2040 Offseason Compensation Thresholds
NoThePreyingManta wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:44 pmJust to clarify, is there any penalty for signing a compensation-eligible free agent?
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