Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Braggo Franco
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Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Braggo Franco
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Here's the place to talk about the career of:
Braggo Franco
Starting Pitcher
Active Career: 1978-1994 (16 seasons)
192-154, 3.50, 2,922 K, 3.06 FIP, 91.1 WAR
Nebraska Award: 1983
Hall of Fame Metrics: (average HoF)
JAWS: 58.5 (70)
Black Ink: 0 (33)
Gray Ink: 0 (160)
HOF Standards: 38 (50)
HOF Monitor: 48 (127)
# I admit I don't know what to make of Braggo Franco. He was before my time, and while I admit record keeping back in the old days was messy, but man...his numbers are all over the place.
The good? I mean, 2900 Ks is sharp. And how can you argue with 91 freaking WAR? Pull his FIP numbers from the time he was 22 to the time he was 35, and you see nothing but a wall of glory. All back when men were men, too. He threw 260 innings for Huntsville n 1985. And, yeah, he went to the plate, too, like real goddamned pitchers ought.
Bottom line: his peak was brilliant, and he probably overstayed his welcome a little.
Yet, then you pull the ERA and ERA+ and then you see...hmmm...okay, I rescind my comment about the numbers being all over the place. Because when you do this you again see a guy who was always better than average and had a brilliant peak. The bottom line here is that Franco pitched for a Chicago franchise (Huntsville now) that was never very good, then a Hackensack (Rockville) team that wasn't any better.
One has to wonder, however, what would have happened if Franco put these same numbers up for the New Orleans franchise that had brought him to the bigs as a 22 year old and then immediately traded him. I say this because during Franco's peak, the Crawdads made the playoffs six times and won the Landis twice. Take a gander at Franco's "true" DIPs numbers, his FIPs and whatnot, then ask how many wins he might have if he'd been a lifetime Crawdad?
Here's the place to talk about the career of:
Braggo Franco
Starting Pitcher
Active Career: 1978-1994 (16 seasons)
192-154, 3.50, 2,922 K, 3.06 FIP, 91.1 WAR
Nebraska Award: 1983
Hall of Fame Metrics: (average HoF)
JAWS: 58.5 (70)
Black Ink: 0 (33)
Gray Ink: 0 (160)
HOF Standards: 38 (50)
HOF Monitor: 48 (127)
# I admit I don't know what to make of Braggo Franco. He was before my time, and while I admit record keeping back in the old days was messy, but man...his numbers are all over the place.
The good? I mean, 2900 Ks is sharp. And how can you argue with 91 freaking WAR? Pull his FIP numbers from the time he was 22 to the time he was 35, and you see nothing but a wall of glory. All back when men were men, too. He threw 260 innings for Huntsville n 1985. And, yeah, he went to the plate, too, like real goddamned pitchers ought.
Bottom line: his peak was brilliant, and he probably overstayed his welcome a little.
Yet, then you pull the ERA and ERA+ and then you see...hmmm...okay, I rescind my comment about the numbers being all over the place. Because when you do this you again see a guy who was always better than average and had a brilliant peak. The bottom line here is that Franco pitched for a Chicago franchise (Huntsville now) that was never very good, then a Hackensack (Rockville) team that wasn't any better.
One has to wonder, however, what would have happened if Franco put these same numbers up for the New Orleans franchise that had brought him to the bigs as a 22 year old and then immediately traded him. I say this because during Franco's peak, the Crawdads made the playoffs six times and won the Landis twice. Take a gander at Franco's "true" DIPs numbers, his FIPs and whatnot, then ask how many wins he might have if he'd been a lifetime Crawdad?
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Braggo Franco
Interesting candidate.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Braggo Franco
Now you have my attention!
I'm saying Yes on Braggo Franco.
Different time period for sure when you start comparing him to the guys of now. He looks a lot like Nelson Ramirez when you compare the two. Franco's WAR is crazy higher but again, I think that's a time period thing. Granted it is still the 18th best WAR of all-time. But if you let Franco in, you probably have to take a look at Lorenzo Diaz as well.
I'm saying Yes on Braggo Franco.
Different time period for sure when you start comparing him to the guys of now. He looks a lot like Nelson Ramirez when you compare the two. Franco's WAR is crazy higher but again, I think that's a time period thing. Granted it is still the 18th best WAR of all-time. But if you let Franco in, you probably have to take a look at Lorenzo Diaz as well.
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So when I started looking for this years veteran candidates I have to admit I was shocked that Braggo is NOT a Hall of Famer.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Braggo Franco
He's a good one. Should be in. Hopefully he gets some support. Wonder if there was a weird thing with his career ending round the time the league went on hiatus.
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That's probably what happened.
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Then again, Shamus Perfetto was very similar to Franco and he didn't get in when I put him up.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Braggo Franco
Here is the stat breakdown of Braggo Franco compared to all starting pitchers on the ballot this year (both individually and against the total mean). Players are sorted by total JAWS score.The mean listed does NOT include anyone on the ballot, just guys who have actually been elected to the HOF (and are not named Steve Nebraska).
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Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
Havana Sugar Kings/San Fernando Bears: 32-50 (1608-1481)
Des Moines Kernels: 52-
League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43
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