Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Jose Cavazos

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Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Jose Cavazos

Post by RonCo » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:26 pm

Here's the place to talk about the career of:

Jose "Chunk" Cavazos

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Active Career: 2019-2038 (20 seasons)
212-183, 4.02, 2,916 K, 1.35 WHIP, 3.95 FIP, 60.0 WAR
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Hall of Fame Metrics: (average HoF)
JAWS: 44.9 (70)
Black Ink: 8 (33)
Gray Ink: 104 (160)
HOF Standards: 30 (50)
HOF Monitor: 52 (127)
# A quick glance at the HoF Metrics says Cavazos has no chance. And yet, his case is stronger than that first blush says. You scan down the FIP column as see this is a guy who was never dominant, yet was almost always good. A solid lefthander who kept the ball in the park and helped his teams win. He was durable and dependable, throwing over 200 innings from the time he was 21 through the time he was 31. After than, managers penciled him down for 180 and just let him go.

He led the league in ERA at a 24 yo in Tucson (now LBC), won 17 for that not-so-good team a year earlier, and went 16-6 for the always tough Jacksonville club as a 35 year old before finishing out the string with 16 more wins over three seasons with Madison.

He's probably a tough sell overall, but if you're a guy who admires above average play for a very long time, Cavazos is probably your guy.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Jose Cavazos

Post by Ted » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:34 pm

Our bar for pitchers is maybe a tad high, but I'd still say no. Just doesn't have the peak of a Hall of Famer. Better than I thought though.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Jose Cavazos

Post by bcslouck » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:39 pm

Sounds like Hall of Very Good.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Jose Cavazos

Post by 7teen » Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:50 pm

Maybe had he gotten to 225 wins and 3,000 K's he'd deserve a better look but I think he falls short as well. Just better guys who aren't in ahead of him to even give him a serious look.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Jose Cavazos

Post by usnspecialist » Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:02 pm

Here is the stat breakdown of Jose Cavazos compared to all starting pitchers on the ballot this year (both individually and against the total mean). Players are sorted by total JAWS score.The mean listed does NOT include anyone on the ballot, just guys who have actually been elected to the HOF (and are not named Steve Nebraska).
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League Champion- 34
JL Champion- 34
FL Champion- 36, 37
JL Southern- 34
FL Pacific- 37, 39
Wild Card- 33, 35, 36, 40, 43

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