Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Juan Escobar

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Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Juan Escobar

Post by RonCo » Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:53 pm

Here's the place to talk about the career of:


Juan Escobar

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# Technically, this thread is a place for discussions and arguments, but holy freaking Hell, man ... look at those HoF Standards and give me even a single argument for how someone doesn't include Juan Escobar on a ballot? One of the most feared hitters in the league for a very long time. Essentially, across a decade, Seattle fans just wrote down 8.5 WAR and cheered.

Anyway...have fun discussing one of the stronger franchise players in league history.


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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Juan Escobar

Post by Ted » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:51 pm

The man. The myth. The Mustache.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Juan Escobar

Post by usnspecialist » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:33 pm

The only real question is does he crack the all time pantheon on the pyramid.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Juan Escobar

Post by bcslouck » Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:56 am

No doubt.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Juan Escobar

Post by indiansfan » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:47 pm

Should be unanimous.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Juan Escobar

Post by njherdfan » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:20 am

After a lot of thought, I think I'm going to have to vote him in.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Juan Escobar

Post by 7teen » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:29 am

Hard No for me. Can't let a guy in wearing a purple vest uniform. :popcorn:
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Juan Escobar

Post by niles08 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:53 am

I will be the first to admit that I am very hesitant and very picky when it comes to people I will elect to the hall of fame. Last year, I only elected 2 or 3 people with YES votes...This year, I expect it to be the same. If we elect everyone it turns into a retirement home for anybody who played 3 seasons in the league and maybe held down a starting position for those 3 years...

I will say that Juan Escobar will be getting a yes from me, although I would have been more impressed had he crossed the 500 home run line.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Juan Escobar

Post by njherdfan » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:45 am

7teen wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:29 am
Hard No for me. Can't let a guy in wearing a purple vest uniform. :popcorn:
OH COME ON!! The uniforms are great!
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Juan Escobar

Post by njherdfan » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:45 am

niles08 wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:53 am
I will be the first to admit that I am very hesitant and very picky when it comes to people I will elect to the hall of fame. Last year, I only elected 2 or 3 people with YES votes...This year, I expect it to be the same. If we elect everyone it turns into a retirement home for anybody who played 3 seasons in the league and maybe held down a starting position for those 3 years...

I will say that Juan Escobar will be getting a yes from me, although I would have been more impressed had he crossed the 500 home run line.
Yeah, had he not retired he definitely would have passed 500 this year. Also worth noting that his home field was always unfriendly to home runs.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Juan Escobar

Post by niles08 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:03 am

njherdfan wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:45 am
niles08 wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:53 am
I will be the first to admit that I am very hesitant and very picky when it comes to people I will elect to the hall of fame. Last year, I only elected 2 or 3 people with YES votes...This year, I expect it to be the same. If we elect everyone it turns into a retirement home for anybody who played 3 seasons in the league and maybe held down a starting position for those 3 years...

I will say that Juan Escobar will be getting a yes from me, although I would have been more impressed had he crossed the 500 home run line.
Yeah, had he not retired he definitely would have passed 500 this year. Also worth noting that his home field was always unfriendly to home runs.
Indeed it was. He has a great batting line and has the hardware at home to support it. I wish he had a Landis as well but he was already a yes from me. That should go as saying something since I said I am pretty picky and personally think that the hall of fame has quite a few players that were not worthy in it so have a hard time basing my votes on whether or not guys who were "worse than them" are already in because that doesn't help the cause.

Escobar however should be a first ballot yes.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Juan Escobar

Post by Ted » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:39 am

niles08 wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:53 am
I will be the first to admit that I am very hesitant and very picky when it comes to people I will elect to the hall of fame. Last year, I only elected 2 or 3 people with YES votes...This year, I expect it to be the same. If we elect everyone it turns into a retirement home for anybody who played 3 seasons in the league and maybe held down a starting position for those 3 years...

I will say that Juan Escobar will be getting a yes from me, although I would have been more impressed had he crossed the 500 home run line.
I feel like the retirement home argument is over stated and hate hearing it. It's just not true. About 1% of MLB players are in the hall. When I looked awhile back, we were around the same mark (although less consistent, due to voting changes). If you are a small hall guy, and want it to be the elite of the elite, I think that's fine. I'm a medium to big hall person, but I can respect the idea that you just want a handful of guys per decade. My argument is that a hall that size doesn't tell enough of a story about baseball. I think there are arguments for small hall that are compelling.But the idea that "everyone will get in" is not one of them. The biggest hall electors would only elect around 2-3% of the player population. If we lowered the threshold to 60% from 70, it would still only be 2%.
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