Hall of Fame Candidate Tread: Mike Love

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Hall of Fame Candidate Tread: Mike Love

Post by RonCo » Fri Jun 29, 2018 5:57 pm

Here's the place to talk about the career of: Mike Love
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Active Career: 2014-2032 (19 seasons)
2,404 hits, 131 HR, 958 RBI, .287/.373/.426, WAR: 71.3
6-Time All-Star
1-Time Pucket Golden Bat Award
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Hall of Fame Metrics: (average HoF)
JAWS: 56.7 (50)
Black Ink: 11 (22)
Gray Ink: 69 (105)
HOF Standards: 37 (53)
HOF Monitor: 64 (123)
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Love played with nine teams in his career, with a peak WAR of 7.0. He was a solid hitter throughout the greater part of his career, though rarely among the elite few--essentially a guaranteed 5 WAR player through age 31, and capable of turning that number for several years afterward. His glove was outstanding.

Productive through age 38, retired at 40. A good career played out for a very long time. Makes it in by JAWS, falls short elsewhere.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Tread: Mike Love

Post by recte44 » Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:23 pm

Love got a surprising amount of support in his first year on the ballot, then faded. Another close but not in player for me.

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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Tread: Mike Love

Post by Ted » Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:25 pm

I've been voting for Love, but I wonder if it's largely because he's so much better than the other corner OF on the ballot. He doesn't quite stack up to the other corner OF in the hall of fame well. On the other hand, he played the back half of his career in a low offensive era and maintained his hitting and OBP ability amazingly well during that time. I'll have to take a closer look.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Tread: Mike Love

Post by RonCo » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:26 pm

By JAWS he does fairly well, so that suggests he should be pretty good relative to those in the hall right now. Of course, that assumes it's coded that way. :)

I admit Love didn't thrill me when I got here, but he was at the end of his career at that point. 70+ WAR on his career is pretty danged good, though. And he had a nice bump as an older guy. Fell off at the end and probably should have retired earlier. Looking at him closer has raised my view of him. Would love someone to talk more specifics and even link to anything interesting about him.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Tread: Mike Love

Post by scottsdale_joe » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:49 am

No, doesn't quite live up.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Tread: Mike Love

Post by bpbrooksy » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:42 pm

A good career, but not a Hall of Fame one.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Tread: Mike Love

Post by RonCo » Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:22 pm

Bumping these threads because there will be voting again earlier than you think!
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Tread: Mike Love

Post by bcslouck » Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:31 pm

Corner OF that was a good hitter, but needed to be better in my opinion given the lack of power. No for me.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Tread: Mike Love

Post by RonCo » Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:38 pm

One thing folks haven't talked about is that Love was an elite defensive player--which in LF is often overlooked, but is still quite valuable. I'm wondering if some of the chine goes off him because he was so well-traveled. He probably won't, for example, really qualify for anyone's team HoF--so he has limited champions within the ranks. That .373 career OBP is quite an interesting number, but it's nowhere near top of the charts. Ultimately, the question for me comes down to whether I want to include an elite glove in there. Maybe. Still debating, but thinking no.

Is it true that in his spare time he was a member of a Beach Boy Tribute band?
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Tread: Mike Love

Post by usnspecialist » Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:10 am

The hardest No decision to make for me. Would not be surprised to change my mind on future ballots.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Tread: Mike Love

Post by RonCo » Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:46 am

Love received 35% of the vote last year.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Tread: Mike Love

Post by RonCo » Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:07 pm

45% of the ballot last year. He has 4 seasons to go.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Tread: Mike Love

Post by Ted » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:02 pm

71 WAR is a lot. .373 OBP is very good. I get the people that don't see a Hall of famer despite some good counting stats. I think he's the guy I'm just going to keep voting for.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Tread: Mike Love

Post by felipe » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:06 pm

I think I vote for him

I just remember him as an elite guy for a long time

Good bat great glove consistent

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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Tread: Mike Love

Post by niles08 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:21 am

Good player, but not a HOF player.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Tread: Mike Love

Post by usnspecialist » Sat Jun 08, 2019 11:42 am

Here is the stat breakdown of Mike Love compared to all left fielders (both individually and against the total mean). Players are sorted by total JAWS score, and any bolded names are on the HOF ballot this year. The mean listed does NOT include anyone on the ballot, just guys who have actually been elected to the HOF.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Tread: Mike Love

Post by Ted » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:48 pm

People need to start giving Mike more love. He's better than half the LF in the Hall already. You might argue that his counting numbers are high only because of longevity, but go look at his JAWS. His seven year peak is better than half the guys in. IF you don't vote for this guy, you're basically saying I only put home run hitters in the hall of fame.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Tread: Mike Love

Post by 7teen » Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:07 pm

Love is a very close call that I couldn't gripe either way. Diving into the HOF head first right now shows me that Love is a take him or leave him guy. In other words, he's a bottom tier HOF if he makes it.

Probably worse guys that are in. Maybe a few guys better that aren't. Depends on who you want to compare him to.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Tread: Mike Love

Post by RonCo » Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:19 pm

Mike love received 23% of the ballot last year. He has two seasons left.
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