HOF Talk: Lorenzo de' Medici

[RonCo]

So the guy made a dozen All-Star teams? So what, right? And who cares about four Egans and three more times on in the top three. And then there’s the fact that he, O’Macken, and that dude from Rockville pretty much defined the role of stopper in those early years.

My thoughts on him in the other thread:

Lorenzo de' Medici: I voted for him last time. I'll vote for him again. But I could be argued out of it. I view him as a creation of his time, but the fact is that he played when Ks mattered the most, and he was a K monster. Go figure.

I admit I’ve begrudgingly come fully to de’ Medici’s dark side.

51 WAR in 20 years as a reliever will kinda do that. Career K-rate of 38%. Those were heady days for relievers. Anymore stoppers get discounted. But back in the day, man … back in the day, guys like de’ Medici made All-Star teams.

A lot of them.

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[Dington]

Can’t believe he’s not in yet.

[bcslouck]

Definitely should be in.

[recte44]

Come on guys. He should have been in on the first ballot. Stop looking at just WAR and really look at his body of work.

[Jwalk100]

Voted yes. Also voted for O'Macken to make it a stopper HoF ceremony (Hopefully).

[Trebro]

I was originally skeptical but I voted for him last year and am voting for him again. We'll see if he can get closer than under 50 percent (yikes)

[aaronweiner]

Never stopped voting for him.

Another example of a guy who if you can't vote for him then you can't vote for any relievers.

[Trebro]

Never stopped voting for him.

Another example of a guy who if you can't vote for him then you can't vote for any relievers.

I'm probably a hard sell on any reliever generally. But yeah he's definitely top tier.

[Dington]

Never stopped voting for him.

Another example of a guy who if you can't vote for him then you can't vote for any relievers.

I'm probably a hard sell on any reliever generally. But yeah he's definitely top tier.

Not even really a reliever when he had more IP than many starters.

[Trebro]

Bumping this one to encourage folks to vote yes. Molina should show you how important a stopper can be.

[BTuck2112]

This guy was 2 short of 300 career saves and had almost 3,000 strikeouts. It's time to vote him in people

[Dington]

No brainer.

[BaseClogger]

He didn’t make my cut but would have been about the 23rd or so vote if I could.

[Dington]

He didn’t make my cut but would have been about the 23rd or so vote if I could.

You’re crazy.

[BaseClogger]

He didn’t make my cut but would have been about the 23rd or so vote if I could.

You’re crazy.

If I read correctly you didn’t vote for 20 guys so right back at ya. Help me get some of these other guys elected and I’ll have room for the reliever.

[Dington]

He didn’t make my cut but would have been about the 23rd or so vote if I could.

You’re crazy.

If I read correctly you didn’t vote for 20 guys so right back at ya. Help me get some of these other guys elected and I’ll have room for the reliever.

Loved Mike Campbell. I believe he was underrated when he played, but he wasn’t even a top 5 player at his position. I’m sure you got him, but don’t have the two best RP of a generation.

[BaseClogger]

You’re crazy.

If I read correctly you didn’t vote for 20 guys so right back at ya. Help me get some of these other guys elected and I’ll have room for the reliever.

Loved Mike Campbell. I believe he was underrated when he played, but he wasn’t even a top 5 player at his position. I’m sure you got him, but don’t have the two best RP of a generation.

I had to cut Campbell (and two others) to make room for the starting pitchers Flores, Rivera, and Vasquez.

[Trebro]

He didn’t make my cut but would have been about the 23rd or so vote if I could.

Seriously? You have some splainin to do. Lucy...

[BaseClogger]

He didn’t make my cut but would have been about the 23rd or so vote if I could.

Seriously? You have some splainin to do. Lucy...

I prefer these 20 guys.


2B Lineu Aldo
CF Kidane Ata
1B Carlomaria Donadoni
RF Juan Donéstevez
3B Tony Frost
3B Eduardo González
RF Ángel González
RF André Ly
DH Ernest McBride
RF Fernando Moreno
LF Juan Rivera
CF Félix Román
RF Tom Rudge
RF Manobu Shimizu
RF Jeffrey Smith
LF Felipe Vega
SP Carlos Flores
SP Ricardo Rivera
SP Rubén Vázquez
SP Alaric Wullenweber

[Dington]

He didn’t make my cut but would have been about the 23rd or so vote if I could.

Seriously? You have some splainin to do. Lucy...

I prefer these 20 guys.


2B Lineu Aldo
CF Kidane Ata
1B Carlomaria Donadoni
RF Juan Donéstevez
3B Tony Frost
3B Eduardo González
RF Ángel González
RF André Ly
DH Ernest McBride
RF Fernando Moreno
LF Juan Rivera
CF Félix Román
RF Tom Rudge
RF Manobu Shimizu
RF Jeffrey Smith
LF Felipe Vega
SP Carlos Flores
SP Ricardo Rivera
SP Rubén Vázquez
SP Alaric Wullenweber

The way I look at it, how many of those guys listed were top 2 at their position in their generation?