Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Juan Pablo

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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Juan Pablo

Post by RonCo » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:51 am

Yes...but if he'd played 1B his whole career, his WAR would have dropped.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Juan Pablo

Post by Rubaboo » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:54 am

How much? He won 4 Zimmers there and was a defensive machine which would help prop his WAR. He kept posting 4s there after I moved him off of 2B. How much does defense prop up or drag down WAR?
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Juan Pablo

Post by RonCo » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:58 am

I dunno in the end. The defensive position adjustment of WAR from 2B to 1B is 15 runs, or about 1.5 WAR, I 'd guess...per season. But his advanced glove would get him some of that back. To be pedantic, this is due to the "Plays" data that I post often. 1B get considerably fewer plays/opportunities than a 2B, who get fewer than a SS. So a great 1B glove is probably not as worthy as a workable 2B glove in raw impact.

Bottom line--to put up big WAR as a 1B, you have to bring the lumber.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Juan Pablo

Post by RonCo » Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:03 pm

If you cut Juan Pablo's WAR by 7 or 8 (a half a win per season?), and put him on the 1B list he looks a lot like Rafael BIdo with better contact, but without the power.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Juan Pablo

Post by RonCo » Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:05 pm

So it's an interesting case to think about.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Juan Pablo

Post by RonCo » Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:24 pm

Juan Pablo received 29% of the vote last time. He has three seasons remaining.
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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Juan Pablo

Post by Rubaboo » Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:45 pm

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Re: Hall of Fame Candidate Thread: Juan Pablo

Post by bcslouck » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:59 am

bcslouck wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:18 am
If he was a better 2B, he's a lock. Even though he played there more, to me, he's a 1B. And that knocks him down for me. Damn fine hitter though.
I'll just use this again. If he would of gotten to 3000 hits, I probably wouldn't have this take.
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