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 Post subject: Salary Retention
PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:30 pm 
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OOTP now allows you to retain a % of a player's salary. Is this something the league would look into implementing?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:21 am 
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I'm okay with either way.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:59 am 
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Interesting. It's a distinction between cash because it's not up front.


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aaronweiner wrote:
Interesting. It's a distinction between cash because it's not up front.

Right, and another tool to increase the trade value of vets with questionable contracts. (for example, Indy could retain a portion of Sunshine's contract in a trade, making him a more valuable asset)

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I'm all for it.

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would have to detail the salary cap implications, but i think it's something we should consider

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It's basically a tool that says a team agrees to a budget reduction of whatever they agree to retain.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:03 am 
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im all for this, would be a fun wrinkle.

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Lane wrote:
would have to detail the salary cap implications, but i think it's something we should consider

Right, it only works if the retained salary counts towards the original team's salary cap (and in turn doesn't count toward the acquiring team's cap). I don't know how that aspect works, I just noticed it when processing a trade for my league last night.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:54 pm 
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It splits salary (which goes to budget, and I think cap) among teams. It's probably an okay thing to use, but like most GM tools mistakes with it can be a little debilitating. But, again, mistakes can be made just about everywhere, I suppose.


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Do we leave salary cap enforcement up to the game? I thought that was an enforcement check against financial reports. How would that be affected?

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The game manages many aspects, but checks are still valuable because a GM can trade their way over it.


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My first instinct it that this needs to be discussed in terms of how it affects Salary Cap.

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I assume that any salary your team retains counts against your salary cap and budget, but I admit I don't actually know.


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recte44 wrote:
My first instinct it that this needs to be discussed in terms of how it affects Salary Cap.

IMO the salary cap would turn into a joke. The big market teams would trade their excess cash to other teams as a condition of them retaining salary to create a loophole. Something like this....

Team A
-$20 million cash
-couple of prospects

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-good player making $10 million for next 2 seasons
-retains all of outgoing contracts.

So basically Team A would have a $120 mil payroll for next 2 seasons.

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ae37jr wrote:
recte44 wrote:
My first instinct it that this needs to be discussed in terms of how it affects Salary Cap.

IMO the salary cap would turn into a joke. The big market teams would trade their excess cash to other teams as a condition of them retaining salary to create a loophole. Something like this....

Team A
-$20 million cash
-couple of prospects

Team B
-good player making $10 million for next 2 seasons
-retains all of outgoing contracts.

So basically Team A would have a $120 mil payroll for next 2 seasons.

I kind of like the way the NHL does it, with teams only being able to retain 50% of the salary or less. That would limit the above scenario.

Big market teams will always have an advantage. Right now big market teams can just cut players with bloated contracts or trade money along with them and a prospect to get rid of them.

To me, this would help rebuilding teams not hurt them. With retention, it can increase the trade value of veterans on bigger contracts. (don't you think you'd have gotten more for Sunshine if you could have retained some of his salary?)

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It's like any other tool, it could be used for good purposes or could cause problems for rebuilding teams. For a small market team, it would effectively be a budget reduction (the example above would be a budget reduction of $10M for two seasons). If that small market team is already playing with a budget under the $11M cap, that would possibly put further dampers on them.

I personally don't have a big feeling either way, but see more possible harm than fun. :)


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udlb58 wrote:
To me, this would help rebuilding teams not hurt them. With retention, it can increase the trade value of veterans on bigger contracts. (don't you think you'd have gotten more for Sunshine if you could have retained some of his salary?)


That's probably not the best example. Between 2028 and 2029 I lost $40 million trying to keep together an aging team together. In 2028 Louisville won the JLA with 78 wins. So even though the team was only a 72 win team, I tried for the playoff push. Same thing in 2029. With expansion and an added playoff spot I had this false hope that I could make the playoffs with a .500 team at best. I held on too long and by mid 2030 we were broke. I was willing to trade Sunshine and others just for salary relief.

I think it could help a rebuilding team. I would totally use it to my advantage as a smaller market team. But I think it helps the large market teams more then anyone and devalues the salary cap.

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Aren't our market sizes supposed to be basically the same anyway?

If this wouldn't cause a headache for all involved, I think that retention up to 50% wouldn't be the worst thing. I know I've done deals involving cash to offset player salaries already so this just seems like a logical addition to me.

As far as enforcement goes, we always have teams that are over the salary cap for a few sims every season now, so I don't see how salary retention would make cap compliance any more or less difficult. On this note, why not bring back WTT while we're at it? Never really understood the reasoning behind getting rid of it in the first place.

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